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Posted 5/1/2024 2:54 PM (GMT 0)
The stuff is expensive, but the best I ever used I’m gonna try it again.

The name changed due to a lawsuit. It was found that VSL#3 sold for years was not exactly the same as the original formula used in clinical trials. Despite that, it still had great results for many people, but still not as great as it was before 2016.

Way back then I noticed this, now I know why. I was instructed to use this by an LLM D way back then during this Formula change. So I have used both and noticed a difference. I’m gonna try it again only with the original formula.

Info on consumerlab.com

Post Edited (astroman) : 5/1/2024 7:28:05 AM (GMT-8)

Posted 5/1/2024 3:02 PM (GMT 0)
Confusing at first. Both are available.

The original vsl was slightly altered
By the new owners when the company sold after 2016.

Then in 2019 the original formula was brought to market as Vibiome. A new and competing company, whose chemist/ doctor /Professor had exclusive ownership to the original formula, Since he was the original inventor.

This is completely mentioned on the visbiome.com website which has a clickable link to a 12 page PDF explaining in the whole story, lab test proof (!), and legal battle.

During the legal testing, which was probably needed for the actual lawsuit, The change to VSL3 did virtually nothing too Candida, the original VSL3 Formulation (now known as visbiome)had anti-candida properties.

Obviously the vsl3 Website does not want you to know this information, Not mentioned at all.

Post Edited (astroman) : 5/1/2024 7:26:39 AM (GMT-8)

Posted 5/1/2024 4:11 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, VisBiome is the only probiotic that does not cause histamine intolerance type reactions in my son. I read about the lawsuit and learned that part of it involved the doctor who originated the formula wanting to keep the expense of the very high manufacturing standards. One of those manufacturing standards involved reducing most of the residue of biogenic amines contained in the final product.

I'm sure there must be even more involved than amines in the quality of the final product, because the doctor who originally formulated VSL #3 mentioned in the lawsuit other expenses and standards, like the very best strains of the probiotic species.
Posted 5/1/2024 4:19 PM (GMT 0)
And yes, it is expensive! A cheaper option would be whatever kind of prebiotic fiber is best tolerated. I haven't found one that is well tolerated yet, and now isn't the time to experiment.

If you can eat apples, an apple a day is very good for gut bacteria, and the apples themselves contain lactobaccili if they are organic apples. Apples have been researched for their probiotics and prebiotics. You can look it up and find papers about it. You have to eat the skins, of course, and not peel them. I think even eating the seeds is good if you don't overdo it and do it every day for years.

It gets old to swallow so many things. If food would be enough it would be so great. It's usually not an option for the very ill, but maybe for some people once a level of healing is achieved, it could mostly be maintained by food, eventually. That would be ideal. I'm so far from being there, I can only dream about it.
Posted 5/1/2024 4:49 PM (GMT 0)
All the details of what happened are in the long PDF on the visbiome webpage. Including the skipped Manufacturing stages of the newer (after 2016) managed/changed VSL company product.

Even though VSL says it still has eight strains, the lawsuit lab tests proved that it only has seven. One strain completely died off in the new manufacturing process.
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Its very easy for me to get gut issues, since I have rare Primary immune deficiency. I’m going to try the new probiotic version with the old formula. Although it’s costly, I can get it on sale locally from a hospital pharmacy for 65 bucks vs 85 (60 capsules). Good Rx surprisingly has coupon for it making it around $55.

I used the original old and new lower potency VSL during and shortly after lyme ABX 6-8 years ago. It worked better than the health store brands. After about the first two weeks, you no longer have to take it on a daily basis, can use every other day. So that stretches the value of this brand. Then I completely stopped using it about four years ago. Pretty much forgot about it. My gut slowly got worse since then.

Apples unfortunately don’t agree with my gut, they are high FODMAP. My diet is kinda boring, I cant eat much. Plus Im trying low carb (9 months now)to fend away diabetes. I do love apples, though, when I buy one, I make it last all week lol ,…one slice at a time.

Post Edited (astroman) : 5/1/2024 10:22:35 AM (GMT-8)

Posted 5/1/2024 5:47 PM (GMT 0)
I hope VisBiome helps you astroman. I can understand why you're willing to spend the money on it, since you're dealing with primary immune deficiency. I'm glad you can get it at a discount.
Posted 5/2/2024 9:59 AM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
So I have used both and noticed a difference.


What does it do for your? What difference does it make? I have taken probiotics for years and have no idea if anything is working. Its has been a while since I used vsl. Maybe I will try it again.
Posted 5/2/2024 10:23 AM (GMT 0)
Michigan lymie I want to let you know about seeking health probiotic called histamine X - it's specifically designed for people with histamine intolerance / MCAS etc

I looked up the cost of visbiome and histamine X is much cheaper (here in the UK at least) so it might be something to consider for your son. I'm not sure how comparable it is to visbiome though in terms of effectiveness though

thanks for sharing that info about the apples too, good to know!

astroman hope this probiotic helps you!

Post Edited (pinkblossom) : 5/2/2024 2:26:28 AM (GMT-8)

Posted 5/2/2024 11:55 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you pinkblossom. Probiotics can be so tricky. Once he's been on ketotifen for a while I will keep your tip in mind.
Posted 5/2/2024 4:29 PM (GMT 0)

trkane said...

astroman said...
So I have used both and noticed a difference.


What does it do for your? What difference does it make? I have taken probiotics for years and have no idea if anything is working. Its has been a while since I used vsl. Maybe I will try it again.


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Not one huge individual improvement, more like many smaller digestive improvement’s
Which added up to something noticeable.

Other cheaper brand probiotics did not do as much. Some did nothing.

I got this discounted to $58 USD. Some of the more popular US pharmacies now sell this and will accept a good RX coupon for it If a doctor gives you a prescription for this ( the prescription is only needed to get the GoodRx discount). Otherwise, nobody needs a prescription for probiotics.
Posted 5/3/2024 2:15 AM (GMT 0)
I've used both Vsl #3 and visbiome for long periods in large quantities (yes it's a big reason why I'm going broke), I didn't notice a big difference except visbiome had more allergens. I don't tolerate casein, gluten or soy. I have to use peptizyde to break down the residual proteins of these in both Vsl #3 and visbiome. Visbiome takes more peptizyde.

I also use histamine x, hu 58, and pure encapsulations 50b. The pure encapsulations is more effective for me followed by hu 58. I have to take them in fistfuls of pills ... 4 for pure encapsulations and 2 for hu58. The visbiome and vsl#3 are the only probiotics I can take without breaking down biofilm.

My insurance doesn't pay for any of these, Vsl #3 pre lawsuit used to be paid for by insurance, but Obamacare killed the insurance policy that covered it. I have found my new insurance has a negotiated rate for visbiome even though they don't pay for it though. It's still crazy expensive but saved me maybe 15%?
Posted 5/12/2024 2:45 PM (GMT 0)

trkane said...

astroman said...
So I have used both and noticed a difference.


What does it do for your? What difference does it make? I have taken probiotics for years and have no idea if anything is working. Its has been a while since I used vsl. Maybe I will try it again.

OK, I’ll try to answer this without being too grossly detailed since it has to do with digestion.

Since I’ve now used Visbiome for 10 days, I can say this is definitely improving my digestion “health performance”.

The digestion problems I’ve been having for almost 2 years now :
- Floaters in the toilet
- instead of the usual light brown, they have been much lighter color the last two years
- foul smelling stools and increased foul gas lol
- more than usual daily Bloated gut feeling.(I am one of those fit older guys with low body fat and normally a flat stomach so I having a bloated gut is an odd feeling for me)

All The above has improved with just one capsule a day, in only 10 days of use.

Generally, what makes stool color darker Is bile. I had to take a lot of extra bile supplements to change the color from pale to brown. For some reason, this probiotic does this, even though it shouldn’t which tells me possibly there was a bacterial overgrowth affecting my bile ducts?

This sounds crazy as I’ve never heard of it before, but I suppose maybe it’s possible that if you get enough of the wrong bacteria in bile ducts, they might actually get inflamed and partially close off?

So, my gut and digestion are still not exactly like they were almost 2 years ago, but this probiotic alone has made more improvements than anything else. I’ve tried so far. This doesn’t really make sense is the truth.

Now I just wish I could find a more affordable probiotic that performs like this one that I get discounted to $58 for 60 capsules. At least one capsule a day that’s really only about $30 a month. But with the sudden increase cost of living in everything that we pay for this just adds up to that problem of expensive living.

Post Edited (astroman) : 5/12/2024 7:26:00 AM (GMT-8)

Posted 5/12/2024 3:03 PM (GMT 0)
My sleep, which has been getting worse and worse since mid last summer has also suddenly improved in the last week.

Questions in my mind are: since they say General health is related to gut health, is this a perfect example of it or just a temporary coincidence? Time will tell.

My white blood cell count and neutrophil were still low mid week of last week. But technically, six years ago, I was diagnosed as having primary immune deficiency.

But, I never thought of Low immune cell counts being related to gut health. it’s possible if they are and if I retest those …..they might increase? I might try to retest those to find out.
Posted 5/12/2024 6:43 PM (GMT 0)
This kind of sounds like a Forrest Gump quote:

“ Happiness is a normal 💩”

So far this Visbiome is making that possible. It does have milk in it, but it’s gluten and corn free at least.
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So in the last four months, I’ve used Garden of life probiotics, enzymatic therapy, and some other new one at Walmart called renew probiotics. All those had something in common; They did nothing. And these are supposedly good probiotics at the basic retail level.

In the past, I have used Florajen. I still have an old Empty box from about three years ago. that is also refrigerated and available at some pharmacies. I might try that again since it’s a lot cheaper than Visbiome.
Posted 5/13/2024 4:28 PM (GMT 0)
i am not surprised to hear that sleep improved with gut health improvements - its a v common connection
they call it the gut brain axis

both chemicals from the gut - and signals from neurons in the gut - travel to and impact the brain - and visa versa ( there are as many neurons in the human gut as there are in a cats brain - ie - a lot)

what about trying fermented foods as al alternative to store bought probiotics ?

the benefits are
-they are present in much higher quantities than in capsules
-they are extremely low cost - as you can male them from just veg and salt and water
-they are already in collaborative communities which is thought to give them a better chance at colonisation

my favourite is home made sauerkraut with made with red cabbage salt and herbs
VIEW IMAGE
my whole family have taken to it

i also like plain Polish kefir
Posted 5/15/2024 1:18 PM (GMT 0)
I’ve had a history of digestive Candida as proven even by lab testing.

Bacterial probiotics are anti-candida.

I googled Visobiome and candida, Apparently, this particular brand is pretty good to control Candida Overgrowth.

Unfortunately, Fermented foods can increase candida.
Posted 5/15/2024 7:32 PM (GMT 0)

astroman said...


Unfortunately, Fermented foods can increase candida.

really? according to whom?
Posted 5/15/2024 7:53 PM (GMT 0)

Garzie said...

astroman said...


Unfortunately, Fermented foods can increase candida.

really? according to whom?

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Astro said:
According to many. Google and see.

Obviously, it will be different with different people, but its common enough that you can read about it.

My LLMD years ago even mentioned it can do this. Similar to yeast probiotics. I couldn’t use those either . It helps some people, some people it makes worse symptoms.

Candida is odd (all forms of it); some people just don’t get it, some people get it very easily.
Posted 5/15/2024 8:05 PM (GMT 0)
hmmm - i'm not sure about that

after all - you can also find people with google who say they have seen Elvis

in general there is a lot of utter rubbish on the internet - everyone clamouring to get attention
saying anything controversial or that seems to go against the grain is one way of doing that
there is also al lot of people simply repeating what they have been told without any reference to any original source

of course, some people do not tolerate fermented foods well - they contain histamine - and some people are just reactive to probiotics - i was initially

but as for actually increasing candida - i tend to doubt

for sure there may be beneficial yeasts in some fermented foods - but they are not candida
Posted 5/15/2024 8:23 PM (GMT 0)

Garzie said...
hmmm - i'm not sure about that

after all - you can also find people with google who say they have seen Elvis

Hey, I've seen Elvis. He was in a laundromat in Tucson, Arizona. He was even wearing Blue Suede Shoes. Thank you. Thankyouverymuch.
Posted 5/15/2024 9:06 PM (GMT 0)

Garzie said...
hmmm - i'm not sure about that

after all - you can also find people with google who say they have seen Elvis

in general there is a lot of utter rubbish on the internet - everyone clamouring to get attention
saying anything controversial or that seems to go against the grain is one way of doing that
there is also al lot of people simply repeating what they have been told without any reference to any original source

of course, some people do not tolerate fermented foods well - they contain histamine - and some people are just reactive to probiotics - i was initially

but as for actually increasing candida - i tend to doubt

for sure there may be beneficial yeasts in some fermented foods - but they are not candida

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Fact, not fiction.

I did not say fermented foods have Candida, I said they can increase Candida. Big difference.

Fermented foods will have different effects with different people. It can feed beneficial bacteria, as well as non-beneficial bacteria, and yeast. By feeding, it increases.

This is found on many places on the Internet including health websites. It’s not made up. I did not feel so good Consuming fermented foods in the past.
Posted 5/15/2024 10:14 PM (GMT 0)

The Dude Abides said...

Garzie said...
hmmm - i'm not sure about that

after all - you can also find people with google who say they have seen Elvis

Hey, I've seen Elvis. He was in a laundromat in Tucson, Arizona. He was even wearing Blue Suede Shoes. Thank you. Thankyouverymuch.

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Elvis is a snowbird in the winter time. In the summer he resides as the oldest lake and river guide in northern Minnesotas Boundary Waters Canoe wilderness Area. The gnats and deer flies love his hairspray. He slimmed down a lot too. Once in a while he and Bob Dylan have little dock concerts (which makes the bears and wolves seek refuge deeper within the forest).

Post Edited (astroman) : 5/15/2024 5:12:26 PM (GMT-8)

Posted 5/15/2024 11:16 PM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
Elvis is a snowbird in the winter time. In the summer he resides as the oldest lake and river guide in northern Minnesotas Boundary Waters Canoe wilderness Area. The nats and deer flys love his hairspray. He slimmed down a lot too. Once in a while he and Bob Dylan have little dock concerts (which makes the bears and wolves seek refuge deeper within the forest).

Haha, that is definitely funnier and more creative! I'd heard that Elvis had slimmed down. Some have suggested it's due to Ozempic, but he denies it and says it's just all the physical activity from his job as lake and river guide.
Posted 5/16/2024 1:08 AM (GMT 0)
My cousin who works for the DNR says Elvis Is adapting quite well. Change is good, It’s a little different than his movies!

-Freshwater vs salt water

-Rocky shoreline vs beaches

-Spruce, Birch and maple vs palm trees

-Hamms beer vs Piña coladas

-Walleye or lake trout vs surf ‘n turf

-Ladies in plaid or Gore-Tex (with bug spray on) vs bikinis (and sun tan lotion)

The “almost Canadian accent” really throws him though. He’s adjusting his hearing aids a lot.🤔
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Post Edited (astroman) : 5/15/2024 5:43:05 PM (GMT-8)

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