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Posted 1/28/2012 6:20 PM (GMT 0)
Okay, I think I did too much this week. I did the "Miracle Liver and Gall Bladder Cleanse". Apple juice all week, then Epsom salt drinks and grapefruit / olive oil concoction. I had my regular acupuncture appt yesterday and added chiropractor for neck/back alignment.

I am herxing today very badly - the worst since early November for me! As is typical for me, thay are neuro-related, anxiety, weird disconnectedness, very light headed, etc. My question to the forum here- has anyone herxed here from either a liver cleanse and/or a chiropractic adjustment. The former I could see as I guess there is a lot of toxins potentially let loose from the liver during a cleanse. But, I also wonder about the chiropractic adjustment. Man, she was able to crack my neck majorly on both sides. The left side in particular has been "stuck" for years. She said I was so out of line that my tissues were swollen on that side of my neck. Btw, she is a Lyme literate chiropractor!

I felt all buzzy after that treatment yesterday, then went to acupuncture, then home to do the final night of liver cleanse. Now, I am majorly whacked out today. Any thoughts or comments from the folks here. Thanks!

Post Edited (yazzer) : 1/28/2012 11:24:09 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/29/2012 2:41 AM (GMT 0)
Feeling much better this evening. I think the herx was mainly attributable to the chiropractic adjustment to my neck...wild!
Posted 1/29/2012 1:07 PM (GMT 0)
I have had some great chiro adjustments that actually gave me energy and better mood and had others that sent me down the black hole of intense
migrains and body aches.

both from same chiro.

I'm just wondering what are you cleansing in terms of parasites.

I really did all these type things 15 yrs ago and never fully got rid of the
parasites. I really thing we should know what we are going after.
it sounds like I work for Metaentix stool testing already. I keep bringing it up. I really would spend $400 on that test before the $900 at Igenex.

google it, Yazzer. and be careful with the liver gall bladder cleanse if you have any possiblity of thick blood. Even if it isn't as thick as mine that I take heparin for it still gets thick with lyme.

Are you taking stuff luke lubrokeneese or I think wobezymes helps
also cuccumin tumeric and even apserin.helps.

when you are putting yourself through a detox it all goes through the brain too. When the liver is toxic we get amonia in brain.

Are you doing coffee enema also to pull out toxins.?
Posted 1/29/2012 1:26 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, doing the coffee enemas about 1-3 times a week as needed. They help. Cholestyramine helps too though I take it infrequently. I took some yesterday and seemed to get relief within an hour or two.

I think it was just starting/doing too much at once. The liver cleanse and chiro were both new modalities for me and I did them at the same time! Really should have been a no-no. Another thing that helped yesterday was a long brisk walk. I thought it might not be a good idea but I felt more energized afterwards.

Friday, I had run 5 miles fast the day before, started the chiro, then straight to acupuncture THEN the grand finale of a liver cleanse that night. My body would have a problem with that if healthy let alone struggling with Lyme. No more cleanses for me at least for the foreseeable future. The chiro has potential though as, while I do think it contributed to a herx, I actually felt some underlying good from it. I am getting better at spotting these bodily signals.

Thanks for the shout back! How is your treatment going?
Posted 1/31/2012 10:45 PM (GMT 0)
Oh yazzer, yazzer!

Happy to hear you did the liver/gb cleanse but as you said, you did too much at one time..  Keep it simple..


I would most definitely do this cleanse again as I really felt great and did see tiny stones..  The last day (drinking those salts, etc.) is not so great but the outcome was worth it (no pun intended)!!  scool

Good for you and keep up the good work!
Denise

 

Posted 2/1/2012 12:05 AM (GMT 0)
Yes, Denise, the Epsom salts were yucky! I actually LIKED the grapefruit and olive oil concoction! I did see a lot of little green stones. A few were as large as peas. I may do it again at some point but not in conjunction with a bunch of other stuff! Thx for responding!
Posted 2/2/2012 3:51 AM (GMT 0)
Oh boy - I managed to ACCIDENTALLY do a liver cleanse a while back and I herxed like crazy from it! (I thought it was just a mild detox sort of thing - I didn't realize it would cleanse my liver...learned the hard way!).

I have a tendency to do a million things at once too - which gets frustrating because I can never pinpoint what causes what. I used to feel more tired and sort of "buzzy" (that's the best way I can describe it) after chiropractic adjustments, but I think more than anything it was the fact that he always did sort of a neck massage during the adjustment, and I'm pretty sure I keep not only tension, but a lot of toxins or bacteria or whatever in the tissues around there.

How are you feeling after all is said and done? Do you think the cleanse helped?
Posted 2/2/2012 4:18 PM (GMT 0)
Border - I am still struggling some with the herxing. It is an increase in all my neuro stuff - the whacky feelings, the brain fog, the trouble concentrating and the whole derealization feelings at times. It's the toxins running through me I am sure. Like you, I have a tendency to be too gung-ho and doing to much at once so I am backing off some and trying to see what is causing my symptoms. I have been slowly increasing my Byron White herbals - up to drops/day for both the A-L and A-BAB formulas. Plus I have been increasing the grapeFRUIT seed extract (GSE) and am at 7 drops/day - staying level with my abx - Ceftin and Biaxin.

I use the GSE instead of Flagyl - both are supposed to be cyst busters and the GSE is easier for me to titrate. I think I am at a level of the GSE that is causing me the issues so I did not take that today and won't for a few days to see if that's the culprit. If no better, then I'll back off something else in hopes of isolating what is causing the herxing. And, maybe it's just the fact that I did the chiropractic (a new item for me) and the liver cleanse on the same day and I am just dealing with a multi-day herx that will clear out slowly as all the crap those two things stirred up clears. Who knows? I am getting MUCH better at listening to my body but it's still not a exact science so I get overwhelmed sometimes still! DANG LYME! LOL.

How are you feeling - I am following some of your progress on FB - my thoughts are with you. It's amazing how many people here where I am located have found out about my Lyme experience and call me and/or otherwise contact me for help and advice. I live in Salisbury, MD - in the bulls eye (pun intended) of the Lyme endemic area. I just spoke with a guy today whose wife has it - she is 30 and has been shuffled to docs all around - she is now going to see my LLMD. And she went to HS with my wife - it's a big but small world and this Lyme crap is making it ever more interesting....In the past 6 months, I have probably been contacted by 10 or 12 people with it...crazy, I tell you!
Posted 2/2/2012 5:17 PM (GMT 0)
It's a little frightening how often I hear about someone who just found out the have Lyme - I'm too involved in it to see whether the problem is getting that much worse, or if people are just finally getting help (I'm crossing my fingers it's the latter!).

I've been feeling both better and worse every day, if that makes sense. Since adding the plaqenil I've been herxing really hard again, like in the beginning of my treatment, which means lots of the same old symptoms - one of whic is these purely physical panic attacks which happen all day every day which is no good seeing as I went so long without them that my prescription expired and I'm all out!

I had definitely hit a plateau though, so I'm finally back to actively fighting this thing (unless the daily fevers are about something else - which I wondering about!). Either way I now feel good some portion of every day, which feels like a miracle considering how long I've gone without feeling good at all!
Posted 2/2/2012 5:55 PM (GMT 0)
B/L - the fevers you are experiencing are probably a good thing - as it shows your immune system is working at trying to kill something off. I, too, don't know if the Lyme issuse is getting worse or just more people realizing it's what's been ailing them for years. Maybe little of both. It IS 2012 though - the end of days according to the Aztecs (nervous joke!). It's very wet and rainy here today so stayed inside on the treadmill and cranked out 5 miles...I feel very good after a run but then herx later...uggh! But overall I think it's a good thing to get that exercise. I feel for ya, too about the panic attacks - jeez, I have had those for YEARS whenever I had a Lyme flare (of which I didn't know it was Lyme casuing them at the time.) No fun, no fun, indeed...and they can lead to feeling depressed and the like....just ride those waves like you're surfing the ocean...they'll pass eventually!
Posted 2/3/2012 2:03 AM (GMT 0)
I've had "healing crises" from chiropractic adjustments before... Vitamin C (1000mg) taken with a full glass of water immediately after (or can take half an hour before) the adjustment should reduce the severity of the symptoms.
Posted 2/3/2012 11:22 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Razzle! I am going back to the chiro this morning so I will try that!
Posted 2/4/2012 12:59 PM (GMT 0)
Had another neck and back adjustment yesterday morning and had increased symptoms all afternoon and evening. It's definitely causing herxing as it opens new energy pathways and allowing my body to release toxins and/or exposing more critters to the abxs. Interesting.
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