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Posted 2/23/2012 10:42 PM (GMT 0)
my new llmd wants me to alternate these 2 drugs for 2 weeks before beginning a harsh antibiotic regimen. i did have a yeast problem, so it makes sense. however, i have a few questions related to the antifungals- do they kill anything good in the gut like antibiotics? do i need to make sure to take my probiotics a certain time frame apart from the antifungals? this would be challenging bc i am taking nystatin 4 times a day!!!
also, can these drugs cause intestinal or esophagal irritation? ive noticed what i believe to be heartburn, indigestion and burning sensations in my chest and back frequently in the past couple of weeks and am trying to find the culprit- food intolerances,medicine side effects, yeast?
and lastly, are antifungals just as hard on the body long term?
just trying to understand a little bit more about what im putting in my body and what others experience from it!
Posted 2/24/2012 12:19 AM (GMT 0)
personally, i would avoid nystatin, it seems to work intermittently and often you have to keep increasing dosages..it was discussed a lot on the forum for heavy metals as a lot of heavy metal people have yeast issues
People just in genral seemd to have more issues with it not working or seemingly aggravting-increasing yeast
my opinion only

there have been limited studies done on fiflucan to treat lyme. Difluan is said to cross the BBB..so again imo you get a lot of cross benefits with fiflucan while some negatives with nystatin

yeast die off does create neurotoxins;

these help, biotin, candex and B6 the latter is said to help clear the yeast ammonia =-adeldahyde or whatever it is
called

I am back on a small dose of diflucan 200 mgs a day

i do not think they kill good bacteria (anti-fungals) as they are not anti bacterial only anti fungal; however it has always made sense to me that the best way to treat a gut imbalance is to ensure good bacteria and do your best to improve WBC which can i know, be very challenging..Neutrophils are the component of wbc taht kill yeast.

obviously i am not a fan of abx and we all have to find a solution taht is often very individualistic to our differing infections and body chemistry..again imo, its hard to recover from yeast in a short time and adding increasingly
strong abx..when our immune system is already compromised

I have taken abx two times in the last 6 years, first rifampin and some otehr abx with a LLMD..down hill for quite literally a few years

2 years ago had serious infection as a result of cavitational surgery so again very strong abx which i believe also gave me terrible re-infection of yeast-parasites and all their little friends..now once again i find myself in a ground hog day cycle of fixing what i truly believe was something that was caused by drugs..
Posted 2/24/2012 12:39 AM (GMT 0)
sorry to double post, but i like to share the information that i have found from the experts

http://www.publichealthalert.org/Articles/scottforsgren/Teitelbaum.htm
Candida, or yeast overgrowth, is another significant issue. Unfortunately, there is a lack of reliable testing available for Candida. If a patient has insomnia, nasal congestion, spastic colon, chronic fatigue, or sinusitis, treating for yeast may be helpful. Avoiding sweets and supplementing with high-quality probiotics is important. Diflucan at 200mg daily for 6-12 weeks may be beneficial.

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15337633
Eleven patients with neuro-borreliosis had been treated with 200 mg fluconazole daily for 25 days after an unsuccessful therapy with antibiotics. At the end of treatment eight patients had no borreliosis symptoms and remained free of relapse in a follow-up examination one year later. In the remaining four patients, symptoms were considerably improved. At the end of therapy immune reactivity (IgM+) disappeared in three patients. Since borrelia spp. are almost exclusively localised intracellular, they may depend on certain metabolites of their eucaryotic host cell. Inhibition of P450 and other cytochromes by fluconazole may incapacitate Borrelia upon longterm exposure

per mercuryb-this was a study done in germany and again each of us indvidually have different co-infections
but promising none the less
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http://www.canlyme.com/diflucan.html


This site has the actual discussion with the Dr who I believe did the diflucan study in Germany, DR Fritz Shard, quite interesting

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The other big benefit is its cheap and most insurance covers with a $10 co-pay. I believe i have mold-fungus in my lungs and i think this seems to reach it. I am not 100% sure though that diflucan is prescribed for mold
Posted 2/24/2012 3:24 PM (GMT 0)

On a side note

Pau d'arco tea works great. It is a good antifungal. Its a mild tea taste a little like stinky socks but you get used to it.  I use it 2-3 times per day for a couple days per week and keeps the fungals at bay.

Posted 2/24/2012 9:44 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Teeners:

I seem to be having problems with indigestion and what I think might be acid reflux too. I'm not sure because I seem to be having a lot of sinus issues which is creating throat issues which I've read could be LPR (a kind of reflux). This all started after a short course of Flagyl.

I am kind of wondering if this could be a yeast issue as well. I would like to get a prescription for the yeast medicine just to try it and see if it helps. I'm also getting the occasional chest pain too. I've been on ABX for just over a year now and I'm seriously considering going to natural remedies because I just can't take all these digestion issues and don't have to have permanent issues with it. I'm kind of scared I've already created some permanent issues.

Please Please let me know if these anti-fungal things help you out with your symptoms. Did you LLMD think that your symptoms might be yeast?
Posted 2/25/2012 4:25 PM (GMT 0)
carrie can you describe your throat issues? bc i had sinus issues and swallowing issues recently as well- but i attribute it to a cold. unfortunately most of these symptoms began once i began the nystatin and diflucan, im not sure if it could be yeast die-off. but i had tested positive for a yeast infection in the beginning of february and my LLMD wants to make sure to get that at bay first
Posted 10/14/2014 11:18 AM (GMT 0)
My new LLMD just put me on Nystatin and Plaquenil. Unfortunately, I can't remember what she said they would do for me. What can an anti-fungal do for Lyme? The Plaquenil is used to treat malaria and auto-immune diseases, so I can sort of see how that would help. Plus I'm still taking Amoxicillian (augmentin) that I was initially prescribed. It was fine when she was talking to me about it, but now that I have to take it, it's seems like a lot.
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