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Posted 12/4/2012 1:30 AM (GMT 0)
I am having severe upper right quadrant pain especially in the morning, gets better in the evening. I am treating with Byron White formulas. I was recently diagnosed with Bartonella and XMRV (a virus I don't know much about) in addition to the Lyme. I am pretty sure it is my liver giving me all the pain. It is alot better than it was, I used to have to ice it all the time. I have had my gal bladder removed and have had a CT scan, ultrasound, and MRI of my abdomen which showed everything to be fine. Also I have had my liver and pancreas enzymes checked multiple times, everything comes back normal each time.

It is really starting to worry me that this abdominal pain is not going away after 2 months of treatment. It feels like something is in there squeezing as hard as it can. When it's really bad, my feet sweat really bad. My LLMD seems to think it's just my liver trying to detox everything. So I am increasing my drops gradually.

Any suggestions? I do lemon water, detox baths every night, eat gluten free, dairy free, and sugar free diet, and using BW Detox 2 charcoal powder every night which is for liver detox. Has anyone experienced this? Does anything help? And does it ever go away? Thanks for the advice.
Posted 12/4/2012 2:24 AM (GMT 0)
hi butterfly

I certainly get the same...I am actually being treated for Babesia right now and of all the treatments (I've been in treatment for lyme and other coinfections for a year now) Babesia dieoff is hardest hit on my liver and spleen. I get the similar pain you mention.

I use charcoal as well ...seems to help a bit. I am also on glutathione IV push -- helps the liver detox and all over body. Have you tried dandelion -- this helps the stage 2 liver function. Milk thistle.

What I also do is just take a couple day break from all the meds and formulas. BW formulas as well as herbs are very strong. Taking a break but yet supporting the liver might be what you need. I do this from time to time when the dieoff seems to be too much for my system to handle. Then after a few days (maybe a week) I start feeling better. and resume treatment.

Also, has your LLMD considered Babesia? some of your symptoms seem like Babs but they all are very similar....something to check into.

Babesia dieoff is massive at first during treatment but gets better.

yes it will go away, just take it slow, be gentle on yourself and try a couple different things maybe one at a time.

Posted 12/4/2012 2:29 AM (GMT 0)
Some other options for your liver are N-acetylcysteine, alpha lipoic acid, and glutathione IV's. Those are what worked the best for me. Milk Thistle actually raises my liver enzymes (although for most people it is very helpful).
Posted 12/4/2012 6:10 PM (GMT 0)
Hi - I was having pain on my left side, under the rib cage and was also wondering if it was the liver. I'm taking Ceftin for a UTI and Diflucan (which is esp. hard on the liver) to keep the yeast under control while on the antibiotic.

But my husband said you can't feel the liver. I wonder about that, so does anyone know for sure if you can have pain in the liver?

Posted 12/5/2012 4:44 AM (GMT 0)
I get that pain when I'm not detoxing as well. My theory is that since I don't have a gallbladder, I can't control bile output as well as I should and bile is one of the best sources of getting toxins out of your body. I also pulse my abx to every other day so that the toxins have a chance to get out and my system doesn't overload. I think find what helps most for you and detox. I think you will feel better soon but your liver, despite your normal blood tests (same for me), is sluggish. My doc told me to think of this right sided pain near the base of the rib cage as a herxing type of reaction.

Good luck!
Posted 12/6/2012 8:48 PM (GMT 0)
Hi ecotick-

I was thinking I had babesia, and I asked my LLMD several times and she doesn't think so. But the sweating sure goes along with it. I only paid to have Igenex do the Lyme testing because of the cost, and when that was positive I underwent treatment right away. Then a month later my LLMD clinically diagnosed me with bartonella. Of course we did all the Quest lab work for all co-infections including babs, bart, erlichia, tulmeria, EBV, etc and all were negative, but as we all know those tests are fairly inaccurate. I will bring it up to her again, but she said people with babesia have shortness of breath, and since I don't have that it is unlikely I have babs. Since I have been through hell, and still going through it I don't want to miss anything. I am sure everyone can relate to that.

Milk thistle is in several of the BW formulas I am on so I am covered there. I found this Liver Detox tea (traditional medicinals) that has dandelion root and some other good stuff that I like and helps with the liver pain. I will ask my doc about glutathione. Since I get regular IVs she may be putting it in there, I am not sure.

Thanks for the advice from everyone. I really appreciate it.
Posted 12/7/2012 6:04 PM (GMT 0)
I've found this neat little 'toy' to be quite helpful in tracking down which organs may be giving me fits:
www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/small-intestine#4/12
Posted 12/7/2012 9:33 PM (GMT 0)
I need to chime in on this. I get that pain and I do believe it is your liver
I used to get it alot before starting treatment. I do believe its from all the
toxins going through the liver. I use milk thistle with dandelion root and
some artichoke in it. I use 3 capsules a day. I also feel it when i haven't
eaten right.
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