manganese and epilepsy - Lyme seizures?

I don't know , but I have Lyme seizures, and if anyone knows the answer to this I would love to hear about it.


justme

Another thought, on re-reading the entry about manganese levels and epilepsy. Could be the epilepsy is misdiagnosed Lyme.

Perhaps the seizures and low manganese were both symptoms, and not a cause/effect thing.

They mention a study on rats - who presumably were bred for or induced to have epilepsy? I would hope lab rats don't run into stray Ixodes ticks carrying Bb!

So much to think about.

Is there any consistancy for time til onset of seizures vs onset of Lyme?

Of course, knowing when Lyme started is a thorny problem itself, if you didn't see a tick or get the erythema migrans bullseyes.

If it's linked to manganese levels I think some people would run low faster than others due to diet and metabolism differences.

So far my son isn't having that problem and I pray he never does.
He eats lots of edamame and a fair amount of nuts and seeds. They are good manganese sources. So, am I feeding his bugs or fighting off bad symptoms? Or, having no effect at all.

Also, since European Lyme is caused by a different Borrelia strain, it makes me wonder if different strains cause different symptoms. How many strains cause Lyme or similar diseases?

For some reason when the state health department had ticks tested from Crystal Cove state park in Orange County, CA they only tested down to the Borrelia level - positive.

But they didn't check if it was specifically Burgdorferi. That looks pretty d*%#! stupid to me. The testing was done to look for Lyme. So, why not look?!

The footnote mentioning that limit is tiny. I missed it the first time I looked.

But, since Bb has been positively identified in so many areas around here, and since the human, bird, squirrel, possum, dog, and deer populations are so wide spread it's pretty obvious it's only time before Lyme has reached every suitably moist and brushy habitat.

So. Cal is full of artificially moist habitats. Even areas I think of as dry and brushy are pretty well stocked with ticks. (Look up Chino Hills State Park.)

Both a mouse study and a squirrel study I have read show the reservoir host animals do give Lyme right back to the ticks.

In the last <10 years we have had squirrels move into our neighborhood. I guess its because a huge chunk of dry, brushy hillside has been turned into artificially moist backyards. With dogs.

Alright, I've moved pretty far off from manganese and seizures. Time to go.
Good Luck and Good Health.

Interesting thoughts, Cal. Cat. Our brains work along the same kind of lines!! LOL! That could definitely be dangerous!! LOL!

On the manganese thought about it feeding the bacteria - I don't think it would, or at least it would be in only negligible amounts I would think. I'm pretty sure that it was found that magnesium 'feeds' the Lyme bacteria as well, but the most knowledgeable LLMD's still say that we need to take magnesium supplements.

Of course I haven't done any real investigation into this, it's just some thoughts of mine!

Traveler - here's to being a dangerous thinker!

Here's more on the hemp hearts because it's the most manageable food source of manganese I've found besides nuts.

I bought Manitoba Harvest brand (Manitobaharvest.com) at a health/ethnic grocery store. There's probably other brands.

3 Tablespoons (30 gms) (maybe sprinkled throughout the day?) are 170 Calories, 3 gms Fiber, 10 gms Protein, RDA -  8% B6 and Folate,  20% Zinc and Iron, 25%Thiamin, 45% Phosphorus and Magnesium, and 110% Manganese.

Of course, if you get lots of manganese from other foods don't get too gungho supplementing with hempseeds. All things in balance and moderation, right?

If anyone comes up with info on manganese, or lyme seizures, or epilepsy linked to manganese, please tell me here!

Just me - Good luck managing your seizures. I've seen a couple videos and talked to a new friend who had them and I really am sorry you have that burden.

Balance and moderation in all things!!!

Here's a link to the University of Maryland Medical Center for a link to manganese. It also says to not take supplements containing manganese near tetracycline or quinolone antibiotics.

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/manganese-000314.htm

I think that California Cat's policy of getting the manganese from a whole food is the best approach, because there is less of a chance of an overdose. If you take calcium and phosphorous supplements, then more manganese may need to be taken for a proper ratio/balance. I also agree with Trav that moderation is important. Too much of a good thing can turn into a bad thing!

Don