Ever possible to eliminate lyme completely? Ever possible to get over it witohout being aware of it?

My test on ELISA was IgM negative, IgG - VlsE 122,7 E/mL.

In Europe we have different metric units from USA for these numbers.

I had lots of tick in the past, but never had any rush. I never took any antibiotics.

My symptoms are being tired, low energy, depression, mood swings, inability to concentrate, think...and some rheumatic, shooting pains all over my body... and being cold all the time, cold feet and hands..

When I called to the lab that made this test and talked to the doctor, she said its not such a big number, as some patients that have lyme have the number above 1000.

She said its possible that I didn't even know of getting the disease and that I could have overcomed it without me even being aware of it.

Do you think, or have you ever heard or read that lyme can go away without fighting it?

And also, once you have lyme, can you ever become lyme free, or it becomes just a matter of controlling it, putting it into remission?

I don't like this having symptoms or not having symptoms approach.

One could be at just 60 % of their optimal functioning, without even knowing what he/she could be, if the darned lyme wouldn't be ****ing him up. Without knowing he is not at his best. Especially as this is such a long term diesease that someone in all the years may not know what is his best.

I'm not talking just about the pain, and physical symptoms...**** the pain. I could live with that. But how could someone know what and how he/she could be feeling, functioning, what someone's whole CONSCIOUSNESS could be like, if he was lyme free?

So to say there is just a switch between having symptoms, and symptoms free, is bullcrap. Its not an all or nothing, in my opinion. Its how much a single spirochette affects your being, your thinking, your living. There may be 100000 of them, or 1000000000 of them, but at 1001 someone could be functioning worse that at just 1000, even if he doesn't know it consciously.

I'm just trying to say that in my opinion there is not a clear border between no symptoms and having symptoms. No pain, no swollen joints, glands, no depression.. doesn't neccesary mean not being affected by it.

So my question is can someone ever eliminate completely this crap out of his body?

You know what I'm saying?

Pathogen killer btw i like your nickname :)

What If someone goes on a hardcore natural antibiotic cleanse, for 3 months...just total hardcore, green juice fast, fresh olive leave juices, all the other anti-bacterial/parasitic herbs he can find, like tons od garlic, oregano/oil, ginger, cinnamon, cloves, wormwood, grapefruit seed extract, digestive enzymes on empty stomach (for the enzymes to go into the blood and dissolve whatever the **** is there)...and drinking oxygen supreme.. and Zeolite powder for detox...and of course Liver Rescue (healthforce)...and the superfoods like spirulina, chlorella, vitamineral green, earth...

from my experience after a period on natural pathogen killers and such harsh cleansing someone gets weakened, exhausted, because some of those herbs are somewhat toxic to us too (but far more toxic to parasites...)..

So lets say someone feels soo much better after such a cleanse...let's say symptoms of pain, swelling, inflamation go away...you feel more energized, more clear headed...but how the f do you know that this is 100 %? What if its only 50 % of what you could and should feel? You can't even know, its so relative...You don't even have any reference to compare with what is optimal.

So someone says i'm symptoms free... but it could be bullsh!t, he may be pain free, but what if his brain, thinking, feelings, his whole awareness, could be soo much better?

Hi olaolaola,
The problem with attacking these infections that hard is that it takes quite a heavy toll on the body and then the healing causes the misery. Not a good thing.

I'm one of the ones you described in your first post - I was first infected when I was 7 years old and didn't get diagnosed until I was 44, and didn't get adequate treatment that I could tolerate until I was 47. It slowly sucked my life away. I had periods of where I was incredibly ill and bed ridden, but would "recover" mostly and go one with my life, just a little bit less of "me" involved each time I would push on. Until one day my body just couldn't take any more.

The day you contract this disease is not necessarily the day your body shuts down, or the next month, or the next year, or even 10 years later. I believe that my immune system "almost" had things under control a few times in my life, but something stressful would happen and bam! I was back down. There are many with the same basic story.

There is no way to completely rid a person of the Lyme disease bacteria. It hides out in the brain where limited things can reach it without killing us. It's been found in the brains of those that have never complained of even a single symptom, and it's been discovered in those that have had many symptoms, they got treatment and were symptom free for many years ....and they still found those lovely spirochetes in their brains during an autopsy.

What we can do -like you said- is control them. Beat them down to the point that they can't get a 'foot up' and become an overwhelming issue in our lives.

If you haven't yet, please do read through our "New to Lyme? Start here!' thread, as it's packed full of important information about Lyme and the diseases that usually accompany it, as well as information about the treatment of these diseases and detoxing.