Houttuynia (HH) as I used it.

I was working outside a couple of days ago and I'll do more tomorrow! This time of year I get cabin fever and if the sun comes out and it's in the 40s or warmer, I'm out there, bugs or no bugs.

Traveler - I have the same question as Teragram - what herbs did you use for Babesia? Would love to know!

Yogi, can you please tell me what Canadian pharmacy you got your fictive from? Thx.

Did it help?

Any reactions or interactions?

How has the houttuynia helped? Thx

TRAVELER: where did you get all of those listed for chronic tonic?

Thx

Hi Trav...we are waiting in the wings to start using Houttuynia. I have a question and maybe you need to start another thread if need be...how did you treat Babesia and how long did it take? I've been on Artemisia Annua for 4 weeks. And yes it's potent. So much so that I'm up to three drops a week!

But just wondering if you used something else, if so what and how long before symptoms subsided.

I will let you know when I start the Houttuynia. (I have the leafs at home waiting for my herbalist to give me the go ahead). Trying to get my body used to Artemisia first.

Let me know if you think I can be of help!

First of all, please do not forget that there is no way to know how long I've had any of my infections - other than most of my 50 years of age.
So what I experienced may not be at all what you will experience.

For Babesia, I was in treatment for a full 12 months and my symptoms were all over the place. I had symptom flares throughout the whole 12 months - herxing off and on. I was a mess!! LOL!

When we had reached the 1 year mark, I still wasn't sure that we had actually managed to get rid of the Babesia to be honest, but I agreed to go off treatment and see what happened. Being paranoid of having to live with those symptoms again, I watched closely, but I have yet to see any symptoms return - and I'm now 15 months post treatment.

Hello,

I'm new to the forum - here's a little background and following that I have a question.

I got sick with flulike symptoms in mid-Sept the worst of which (horrible headache, severe low back pain, fever/chills) lasted about 24 hours. I continued having chills and appetite loss/nausea, and began to have joint and muscle pains moving all around randomly - based on Internet searching my symptoms sounded to me like Lyme.

I went to my PCP who told me it was anxiety - I went back 3 times in a week and finally convinced him to give me Doxycycline. I took it for 5 weeks total, and after the first 2-3 my appetite came back (I lost 13 lb in the first 2 weeks) and the chills stopped but joint pains continued and I started having visual disturbances, insomnia and intense anxiety/panic attacks.

An ID doc tested me (IgG + for RMSF and R. Typhi), but didn't test me for all co-infections since he doesn't think they exist here. He sent me away without further treatment despite my continued and worsening symptoms. I have thankfully found a LLMD who I must travel to see, but just thankful to have found help.

Based upon arch and heel pain, lymph node swelling and the neurological symptoms my LLMD thinks I have Bartonella as well and wants me to start Cipro which I'm a little leery of due to the possible side effects (I'm taking Minocycline now and slated to start Tinidazole soon, then supposed to start Cipro after another week).

Because of my hesitation about the Cipro I started doing what I can herbally. I have ordered all the Buhner Protocol herbs for Lyme and Bartonella, but had a question about Houttuynia. I read that it's supposed to be fishy smelling, but the brand I got smells mild and sweet and not fishy at all and it tastes like tea - esp when prepared as tea :)

Should it smell fishy? Can anyone tell me if this will still work or if this doesn't sound right? It's a reputable brand that my local natural food store sells other products from. If it should smell fishy, can anyone recommend a brand I should look for or a place online it can be found?

Thanks in advance!

Traveler-Thanks for the insight on Houttuynia. Between your Herx description and JohnRed's Bart experience, I'm sure the Houttuynia's causing me some Bart Herxing.

Here's some good tinctures Curiouscat-

I take the Houttuynia Microbial Defense leaf extract that Dr. Cowden advocates for Bartonella-if you Youtube Cowden Houttuynia it should pop up.

Its by NutraMedix, and you can buy it online for between $25 and $35 It's suspended in 20% ethanol, so I haven't noticed any fishy smell. It also has anti-fungal properties, and should boost the immune system.

They recommend going from 1 to 30 drops, and at 5 I'm noticing some major Bart Herxing, so it works.

I'm also taking the Lakato Bark Extract reccommended by Dr. Cowden, by Nutramedix, to supplement that for Bart as well as some upkeep for Lyme and Babs while I'm on the ABX for those.

Lakato's known as a KEEP3 anti-microbial. Kills Everything Except People. Anti-Bacterial, Anti-Viral, Anti-Fungal, Anti-Protozoal, Anti-Spirochetal, etc.

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Thank you both, I got the cut Houttuynia from 1st Chinese, but I can order the powder to use instead. I might get the the extract to try first since it's working well for you RobNOrl. The Keep3 sounds pretty effective too judging by the name. It's good to have options.

I appreciate your help - I've had a really rough last couple of months, barely hanging on at times, but I'm relieved to have found this forum.

Thank you Traveler,

I see your post about the cut herb and your description sounds like the stuff I got. I did try using the cut herb to make tea since it smelled like tea in the bag and it tasted pretty good. I might try the pills or tinctures too, but also trying to keep cost in perspective to look ahead for the long haul. Thanks again!

Traveller-I found this thread and bumped it up- and it answers almost all of my questions and makes me want to do this herb for sure. My question is, if I don't have a gram scale, about how many teaspoons of the herb ( or how much of a teaspoon) would I put in the three cups of water? thanks

Hey Trav.,

I just mixed some dried Houtt. in with the rest of my dry tea mix. I still don't think it's a gram, because it ends up being about one to two leaves to four cups of water.

btw, is sleepiness a herx? I'm sleepy all day (almost all day).

Margaret

KB- did you buy the powdered herb or the "cut" herb? They will be different in the amounts you use. I bought the "cut" herbs.