Byron White A L formula and A Bart

Some people can't even handle 1 drop and have to dilute further.

While our daughter was on abx treatment for lyme/bart she made it up to 20 drops 3x daily (this was for 6 months). When we weaned from abx I discontinued A-Bart while we tried to get a handle on the proper dosages of Buhner's bart herbs.

After we got to some stabilization with the herbs I reintroduced A-Bart, herxed at 1 drop and now we can't seem to get past 3 drops without increased symptoms of shin pain/headache/emotional lability. I really did hope that 6 months of 20 drops TID of A-Bart would have produced some lasting healing from bart, but it doesn't look like it, in that she (and myself too) are still reacting to increased dosages.

We have seen greater improvement of symptoms with Buhner's herbs for bartonella (sida actua, houttuynia, japanese knotweed, hawthorne - see his website), and now again with the addition of a combination cryptolepis tincture (which is supposed to address protozoan infections). We will remain on the 3 drops of A-Bart because it is supposed to help the immune system fight the infection, but I am not as concerned now about using it to completely heal as we are doing so well with Buhner.

After reading your signature line, I see you mention ANA positive with speckled type. Our daughter had the same titers both before treatment and again some time into abx treatment. Her last ANA test was NEGATIVE (tested through the same lab).

Our LLMD was unfazed. She said that this was to be expected because chronic infection/inflammation is the cause of most autoimmune conditions. When the infection/inflammation is addressed, the autoimmune component resolves. Indeed our daughter's PANS (Pediatric Autoimmune Neurological Syndrome) symptoms have completely resolved.

This is also Buhner's take on autoimmune disease - that it is caused by chronic infection/inflammation. His suggestion is that if you don't use any other herb for lyme/coinfections, use japanese knotweed to address the rampant inflammation caused by these bacteria.

I started on Byron White L-M Dec 2 at 2-3 drops 2xday (BID) up to 5-6 drops BID Dec 9... no change at all detected yet... I'm so sorry to hear you are feeling so badly so quickly.. On one hand I'm happy to not feel worse.. but would like to know it's working.
Please keep posting.. I'm very new here.. but we care. :)

Thank you everybody. I am detoxing but probably not enough. I was taking epsom salt baths but this week haven't taken the time to do that. I was also taking charcoal capsules when I remembered to take them. I stopped the minocycline for a while and the rifampin and asked my doc if I could try herbals for a while, I just needed something different. It is so nice to take a break from those kinds of antibiotics. I hope these will do about the same job as the antibiotics were suppose to be doing. I really didn't herx much from either minocycline or from rifampin. I didn't feel this same feeling that I feel with this a-bart and a-l complex from byron white. This is definitely different. Does anybody know if you need to keep taking all the probiotics when you are on herbals like you do when you are on antibiotics. I was taking 6 probiotics a day, and they were the really expensive kind--$70 a bottle which lasted me 20 days taking 6 a day but was what my doc said was good for preventing yeast. Now I forgot to ask her but I wonder if I still need as much probiotics on these herbal remedies? Do they kill off all the good bacteria like antibiotics?

Mumma, don't worry about how your posts look - if there are questions, we will ask them!!!

YES!! Keep taking probiotics!! Even the herbs with their antibacterial actions will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines.

Although you could switch to kefir if you wanted - whether you culture your own or not. I used kefir exclusively for my probiotics and the only time I ever had any issues with yeasts was if I managed to not have my kefir!

I just purchased my very first water kefir grains this week too! I can't wait to have the non-dairy version on hand as well!