Frankincense (Boswellia) inhibits biofilm...

The study was focused in on Staph. but I have to wonder if Frankincense would also inhibit Lyme biofilm...

See www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21406118 for more details.

Now we're on a roll

Ozone had profound anti-biofilm properties

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19125975

It is studies like these that make me feel that the "LLMD Community" are either completely missing the big picture, or, just being like any other doctors are attempting to frighten/distract the patient base with one-sided info and scare tactics ...

In fact, herbalist Stephen Buhner has gone on record saying that he feels that the biofilm aspect is completely over emphasized as just about every form of bacteria is capable of creating and surviving within a biofilm ...

Regardless, ozone seems to be the one thing that can do-it-all

Everyone wants to decrease fat intake to decrease biofilm production and that is logical. My thoughts are a little different. I am going to use a Trojan Horse principle on biofilms. Since the bacteria can incorporate fats into biofilms, why not give them fats that have bactericidal or antiiplasmodial activity? Catechins and napthoquinones both decrease plasmodial growth. They also happen to be found in several fat laden foods. Once I get everything in place, I'll begin trying to kill them and hopefully I can keep my methyltransferases elevated.

Georgia,

Which foods contain the catechins and napthoquinones? Would liposomal forms of anti-protozoal herbs or meds work for this?

Hi vcast,

You make some good points, but I have to wonder about the statement that lyme ( borrelia ) is the only bacterial infection that cannot be cured ...

As you mention, the synergy with other infections, not to mention other toxins ( mercury, for example ) would make it virtually impossible to separate symptoms caused by the active bacteria or an immune response to something else - perhaps something related, but not the actual bacteria ...

Tuberculosis is similar in that it is extremely difficult to eradicate, and modern medicine fully acknowledges that tuberculosis requires long term antibiotic therapy ( years )

Tuberculosis is aerobic, which, like bartonella, make it particularly difficult to deal with ...

Back to the biofilm issue ..... Do you put credence in the Eva Sapi study using samento and banderol to break down the biofilm-like colonies ?

I find that study fascinating, however, I don't fully understand some things - I'd like to hear your opinion:

- In the Sapi study, this was, obviously, performed in vitro ... so we are to understand that the "biofilm" that was created was done solely by the bacteria, and not, as in the human body, part of a fibrogen/fatty/toxic metals conglomeration ...

There are so many "which came first, the chicken or the egg" aspects to what we know as lyme disease ..

For example, does borrelia actually lower otherwise robust CD57 scores, or, are people who inherently low in white blood cells and low CD57 more susceptible to developing a chronic infection ?

I believe that there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding lyme - and for the most part, this misinformation is put out there by the doctors and other so called "lyme experts"

Lower CD57 scores are NOT unique to lyme:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11100948

So perhaps the argument could be made that people who have been exposed to mercury ( or other toxins ) could also present with a more severe case of lyme - and it is not simply the bacteria that creates the ongoing symptoms, but the overall toxicity of the patient ( which I feel is exacerbated by focusing on killing bacteria )

What I do find fascinating is the resolve and chutzpah we put into this - the medical community has in essence failed us to this point, and we have taken it upon ourselves to get our lives back ... That is something we all should be very proud of ...

Biofilms are not just an issue with lyme, they wreak havoc with other things in the body, so there is a real need to break them down. I believe they form colonies around implantable devices, and can cause massive issues with those, pretty sure surgeons run into them a lot. So thankfully this drives a need for mire research.

I did read somewhere that there are two drugs in stage 2 clinical development that are specifically for biofilms, if anyone wants to do the research.

I've only come across like two scientists actively looking for a cure for chronic lyme although there may be a handful more. Hoping with numbers going up each year, more money will come in for research, which will attract more researchers!

Razzle said...
Georgia,

Thanks. Interestingly, I'm sensitive or allergic to everything on that list except the blackberries...and yes, my methylation cycle is badly broken...maybe if I get the methylation stuff fixed, I'll lose my sensitivity to some things and be able to have a better diet...that would sure be nice

Yes, you are sensitive to everything on the list because of your methylation pathway impairment. It's a long process of histadine, diamine oxidase, histamine, etc, but that's what I was trying to relay to everyone. Get the pathway running again and we have a chance to kill the pathogen. The pathogen evolved to where it is today by being able to prey on people with susceptible genetics and IMO, causing mutations to our pathways. I'll be in the scientific literature a lot these next few weeks on that one.

I don't drink tea because of the caffeine. I haven't had caffeine in almost 20 years because of caffeine withdrawal headaches. Any throbbing headache is a caffeine withdrawal headache and if I didn't drink caffeine every day, I'd have a bad headache. Looking back on it now, caffeine is classified as a methyl xanthine. This is a polyphenol structure with a methyl group attached. The polyphenol would decrease my methyltransferases and because of my genetic impairments, it would cause headaches. Decaf tea in larger amounts would do the same thing because tea is a polyphenol. It took almost 20 years and a parasitic infection to figure that out, but at least I learned something.

I haven't read the links yet, but I am really interested in what they have to say. I love using essential oils. I put a drop of basil oil in 1/2 cup of water for my husband's swallowing issues. I know it's antibacterial, but not antibiofilm. This is fascinating. I believe Frankincense may help with cognitive issues. I need to do more research on the oils. Thank you everyone for your input.