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Posted 7/15/2014 9:53 PM (GMT 0)
Well, I think we are going to take the plunge and go to Envita for 2 months. Its expensive and its a huge risk but Im almost 37 and need to zap this thing full on so we can hopefully have another child. Running out of time. Anyone else go there (besides martha's vineyard- ive read and reread all her posts!) ?? Im nervous to do antibiotics. Ive had this disease for a long time and cant afford any more damage to my brain/mental state/fatigue level. Ughh, wish there was an easy answer
Posted 7/15/2014 11:01 PM (GMT 0)
If you do a search on Envita, it will bring up several past discussions on it and I'd suggest you read some of those if you haven't already. I hope whatever you choose to do will help you overcome your infection so you can get on with your life. Keep us posted!
Posted 7/16/2014 9:32 AM (GMT 0)
Envita was one of the places I looked into when I was deciding on a clinic and ended up at Sponaugle for five weeks. I am very happy with the outcome, I feel like they saved my life and I am improving steadily. You can read my blog about my experience or you can email if you would like.
Posted 7/16/2014 6:22 PM (GMT 0)
Your blog is beautifully written, btw!
Posted 7/17/2014 1:50 AM (GMT 0)
BE careful! I've heard not so good things about it. Do the search Garden suggested. I've heard much better things about Sponaugle. Heathersdad went there with his daughter and had really good results.

Either that, or find a good LLMD.

Margaret
Posted 7/17/2014 2:09 AM (GMT 0)
It does seem there are a lot more positive reviews on Soonaugle. We have a free place to stay in Scottsdale so thats why I first looked into Envita. But i will look into sponaugle. Thx for any and all input
Posted 7/17/2014 1:47 PM (GMT 0)
I heard good and bad about Envita. I read almost all bad things about Sponaugle except for Lymebabe.

Heather's Dad took his daughter to Dr. Jernigan's Hansa Clinic in Kansas as well as GWB (aka Gary), and others, one can search for those posts on this forum.

My view is one can learn to do detoxing at home which I believe if one wants to stay healthy as I do, I continue to take detox baths, dry skin brush, use my infrared sauna and eat as healthy as I can. This way my immune system stays strong.

If one needs IV treatment such as Vitamin C, anti-viral, etc. they can go to a local naturopath.

When I was very ill I needed botanicals that I took at home following a protocol from a book. And now it's over 8 years later and I'm still 100% healed.

Just my thoughts,
Denise
Posted 7/17/2014 2:38 PM (GMT 0)
No flaming allowed on this forum. If you don't agree with a treatment, then please don't post in those threads. We have to allow those that have had good (and bad actually) experiences to post freely.

Post Edited By Moderator (Traveler) : 7/17/2014 4:28:20 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/17/2014 3:54 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the input, guys.
Deejavu- i would love to be able to do the detox and cleanse stuff myself. Thats what im working toward but am too exhausted to even read the books (my reading comprehension is dire, at this point) much less go and get them. If i go to the grocery store these days i will then be in bed for 2 days and the food goes bad. Im not even able to cook healthy meals for myself and family.

And as for LLMD's... Lets just say i believe them to be just as much as a risk as a clinic and much harder to get appointments with (for the really in demand ones, anyway)


Cheng- i respectfully disagree. I personally know people who have been great healed at these type of places. In this age of imformation the word would get out quickly if absolutely no one was getting anywhere with them. Theyre not the perfect fit for everyone and each has its own philosophy. Im just trying to figure out which is the best place for me. I have a lot of neuro stuff going on and Sponaugle does seem to be very brain focused. So im wuite intrigued by them. The fact that youre only in the clinic for an hour or 2 a day, though, bothers me...what te heck am i supposed to do for the other 23 hours a day alone in 90 degrees with major humidity??

Post Edited (Lolarose8) : 7/17/2014 9:57:04 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/17/2014 3:55 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry- i shouldve spaced out the paragraphs inlast post. Too condensed. :-(
Posted 7/17/2014 3:59 PM (GMT 0)
I will say this- i have been suspicious of reviews posted on the internet for any of these places. We have no idea who is writing them and some sound very much the same. Also the sponaugle reviews are almost creepy in their hero worship of that dr. Almost brainwashed or cult like! Lol! I realize they would be excited to get healing but alot of them are really over the top. The envita ones sounded more realistically balanced, at least.
Posted 7/17/2014 5:08 PM (GMT 0)
If you know someone and talk with them face to face that's different I suppose..
And they are cured, okay then.

They ask for a lot of money and you may not feel any better, might as well throw your money out the window...

Post Edited By Moderator (Traveler) : 7/17/2014 4:29:20 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/17/2014 6:32 PM (GMT 0)
Lolarose thanks for reading my blog! I have been overwhelmed with my new job so I have not posted for a while. Maybe tonight. A lot has happened since my last post. If you want to talk to me about my experience I will gladly do so.
Posted 7/17/2014 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
Lyme babe- I would love to talk to you! So glad you are working hard :)
Did you get my email?
Posted 7/17/2014 10:52 PM (GMT 0)
Lolarose I just emailed you. Sorry it took so long!

Deejavu I think that what you write can work for many people. However, at Sponaugle I saw patients whose mold and organic solvent levels were horrendous (one poor woman 350x greater than the limit) and I truly do not believe that is something that can be addressed with home treatment. I personally don't think that I could have gotten better without going. They gave me the correct diagnosis and the right treatments which were not available to me locally.

So I would say, it all depends.
Posted 7/18/2014 12:37 AM (GMT 0)
Hi all,

Lolarose (pretty name!), are you too tired to take detox baths if you have a tub? Those detox baths do wonders. If you don't have a tub, the foot baths work great too (recipes are in the New To Lyme? Start Here! Sticky Thread on top).

Lymebabe, yes I agree that people have mold, some have higher levels then others. The bottom line is that mold is another toxin and everyone is exposed to mold unless they are not near water or moisture such as sinks, toilets, showers, etc. Where there is moisture, there is mold. I clean using good old food grade hydrogen peroxide which kills mold I can't even see but I know it's there.

The only other point I would like to bring up as far as these clinics go, do the owners go to Lyme Conferences? I know Dr. Jernigan does where he speaks and shares his knowledge and inventions.

Are they interviewed by well known people? Again, Dr. Jernigan has given many interviews and they are available on the internet for free... Do they teach other doctors? Again, guess what? Dr. J. has been teaching other doctors.

Yes, I am partial to Dr. J. (that's obvious) but for good reasons! I became well from his protocol and I didn't even go to his clinic. He has no secrets, he has a blog for all to read, etc.

Do the other doctors who run these clinics do any of this? Not to my knowledge.

I'm not putting down the other clinics.. I am simply pointing out the differences. What works for someone may not work for someone else...

Okay, enough!! LOL!
Denise
Posted 7/18/2014 4:28 AM (GMT 0)
Oops, sorry, I meant Hansa.

Regardless of what anyone says, I would check the posts and threads.

Just proceed with caution.

Margaret
Posted 7/18/2014 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
Lolarose, Since you respectfully disagree with the other person posting, I'm going to say this: One of our members had an absolutely terrible time at Envita.

However, I respect Heather's Dad (Don), so you might want to contact him regarding Hansa.

In general, I think LLMDs are better than clinics; you just need to choose someone who's very reputable. If you need suggestions, email me. It seems to me that most of the clinics are out there to make money, and the websites are a little glitzy.

There are a lot of very good LLMDs and LLNDs out there.

I bet our members could give you some suggestions; or, look into the Hansa Clinic, since it's run by one of the main "protocol" guys.

Margaret
Posted 7/18/2014 8:20 PM (GMT 0)
LymeBabe, I'm going to start reading your blog.

I like it.

Margaret
Posted 7/19/2014 4:00 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Teragram! I hope I can help people by writing about my experience!
Posted 7/20/2014 1:22 AM (GMT 0)
The bottom line here is that everyone must decide for themselves - what works for one person won't work for everyone else. I used different protocols than most everyone else on this forum, yet I healed and others that have tried what I used have not (from what I understand anyway). This is all very typical with these infections - they take on different "qualities" as they interact with our bodies.

This is a great site for discussing different protocols and getting ideas when you hit that healing wall and can't seem to make progress or just for support!!
Posted 7/21/2014 2:49 AM (GMT 0)
Well, did the research and am going to take the plunge. I need a clinic to help me restart. Then i will be well enough to get to a local LLMD and do at home detox stuff.

Wish me luck!!! :-)
Posted 7/21/2014 3:10 AM (GMT 0)
Keep us posted how you are progressing! Hope you find relief soon!
Posted 7/21/2014 4:36 AM (GMT 0)
Good luck, honey. Do keep us posted.

Margaret
Posted 9/14/2017 8:05 PM (GMT 0)
Hi.
Do we have any recent comments about anyone's experience at Envita or Hansa... any reports from people at the beginning of this thread? Wishing so hard for some of us to find and get relief in a way that is working for us!
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