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Posted 8/1/2014 4:05 PM (GMT 0)
Hey all, planning my next move here. Was considering switching to a bactrim, mepron, zithro combo to treat both cos at once soon, but this doesn't do much for killing borrelia.

Is there any other drug beside zithro that can be taken with mepron (to prevent resistance) that also hits lyme?

Thanks

Ps - trying to avoid taking four antibiotics at once
Posted 8/1/2014 4:28 PM (GMT 0)
Consider pulsing Tindamax. But zith is recommend to take with Mepron to prevent building resistance.
Posted 8/1/2014 4:35 PM (GMT 0)

tickbite666 said...
Consider pulsing Tindamax. But zith is recommend to take with Mepron to prevent building resistance.

You think taking 4 abx at once sometimes is okay?

What if I took zithro five days a week, then switched it for tindamax two times a week(or something like that). Would that be enough zithro or no?
Posted 8/1/2014 4:43 PM (GMT 0)
FYI -
I tested positive for all three co-infections. I also have a ton of other system challenges going on so that may also be relevant but I've talked w/ my LLMD a couple of times about tackling all 3 infections at once. She was pretty resistant and reluctantly agreed to treating both Borellia and Bartonella first. Once she sees improvements she'll add in Babesia treatment.

-p
Posted 8/1/2014 4:56 PM (GMT 0)
Reba: regarding the zithro - 5 on, 2 off. There is a retired LLMD here in BC Canada who does pulse the zithro with the mepron for Babesia. He does 5 days on, 5 days off of zithro, but mepron daily.
I am on doxy, and have just started zithro...and am going to pulse it.

Have you discussed all this with your LL Dr?
Posted 8/1/2014 5:03 PM (GMT 0)
Agree with Piro, I have only heard of a very few people hitting all three at once. Rifampin seems to be the go to drug for Bart and I haven't heard of too many folk taking Rif with either Mepron or Malarone.

Reba, I wouldn't skip days with Zith, just pulse the Tini maybe for two consecutive days and 5 days off. Dosage and pulse schedules for Tini vary widely among LLMDs..

Heck, at one time I was on Zith, IV Rocephin, Actigall, Mepron, and Bactrim, plus the Tini pulse.
Posted 8/1/2014 5:05 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
Reba: regarding the zithro - 5 on, 2 off. There is a retired LLMD here in BC Canada who does pulse the zithro with the mepron for Babesia. He does 5 days on, 5 days off of zithro, but mepron daily.
I am on doxy, and have just started zithro...and am going to pulse it.

Have you discussed all this with your LL Dr?

No this is for about two months now...my situations a bit complicated...

Was on doxy/rifampin, and after two months of serious herxing, started to feel very good. Then switched to zithro/rifampin. Felt good until I got sick with bronchitis. Ever since then I've felt good/bad. I really need to start taking the rifampin together, been spacing the two 300mg doses out by three hours. Probably going back on doxy now to level me out, then taking the two rifampins together.
Posted 8/1/2014 5:06 PM (GMT 0)
Once I take two rifampins together for two months ish, I'm switching to the regiment I mention in the original post
Posted 8/1/2014 5:09 PM (GMT 0)

tickbite666 said...
Agree with Piro, I have only heard of a very few people hitting all three at once. Rifampin seems to be the go to drug for Bart and I haven't heard of too many folk taking Rif with either Mepron or Malarone.

Reba, I wouldn't skip days with Zith, just pulse the Tini maybe for two consecutive days and 5 days off. Dosage and pulse schedules for Tini vary widely among LLMDs..

Heck, at one time I was on Zith, IV Rocephin, Actigall, Mepron, and Bactrim, plus the Tini pulse.

I like it. I mean I am essentially hitting all 3 at once with zithro mepron septra and pulsing tinda, correct? This sounds like a very good regiment
Posted 8/1/2014 5:22 PM (GMT 0)
Yes I would say this combo kind of hits all three, since Tini is a Lyme cyst buster and is also anti-parasitic.
Posted 8/1/2014 5:34 PM (GMT 0)

tickbite666 said...
Yes I would say this combo kind of hits all three, since Tini is a Lyme cyst buster and is also anti-parasitic.

Best combo ever? Hehe
Posted 8/1/2014 6:25 PM (GMT 0)
I figured I would rotate some herbs in there as well
Posted 8/1/2014 11:17 PM (GMT 0)
Reba, this could be a very powerful combination that could leave you quite ill, especially if you have detoxing issues. Have you run this by a LL doc? Are you being seen regularly by any doc that could oversee this- in case something goes wrong?
Posted 8/4/2014 6:26 PM (GMT 0)

Traveler said...
Reba, this could be a very powerful combination that could leave you quite ill, especially if you have detoxing issues. Have you run this by a LL doc? Are you being seen regularly by any doc that could oversee this- in case something goes wrong?

I'm seeing a LLMD NP. Is this really that outlandish of a combo? I hear of people doing three different abx all the time. Considering a homeopathic for the borrelia instead of tindamax as to not overwhelm me.

I check my liver every 8 weeks, will probably cut that to four weeks when I begin this regiment. I Appreciate the concern!!!
Posted 8/4/2014 9:16 PM (GMT 0)
I'm really glad to know that you are under the care of a LL doc!! Just keep an eye on your symptoms - and don't let them get severe.

Also I would suggest that you start off on lowered doses and ramp up as you can tolerate it. To just jump into all of them at full dose could be pretty hard to handle.
Posted 8/5/2014 3:47 PM (GMT 0)

Traveler said...
I'm really glad to know that you are under the care of a LL doc!! Just keep an eye on your symptoms - and don't let them get severe.

Also I would suggest that you start off on lowered doses and ramp up as you can tolerate it. To just jump into all of them at full dose could be pretty hard to handle.

Of course! I'm a big believer in taking it slow, stabilizing/feeling good before going up in dosage or going on a different abx
Posted 8/5/2014 11:15 PM (GMT 0)
I was just diagnosed with Lyme and HGA but have been sick years. Igenex lab results yesterday and LLMD wants me to start do y but have been having multiple chemical allergies . I had a bad reaction to doxy. Now having burning GI- not sure if Herx or ulcer. My GI is a mess, very upset. Was doing ok and stable til started AL Byron white. Anyone with similar issue with Lyme affecting GI? Not sure if I'm still healing from eating gluten or what!
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