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Posted 12/8/2014 9:28 PM (GMT 0)
All my herbs just arrived in the mail. I haven't even opened them yet.
So, what to do?!

I mean, do I just start with the chronic tonic/lyme herbs for a few weeks and then add in the houttoynia after a few weeks?

I am so eager to address the bartonella that I want to try the houttonuyia right away.

So then do I wait on the chronic tonic lyme herbs?

Or is it okay just to start them all?

Either way I will start at light small doses for a few days. But those of you herbal treaters, do you think it is okay to start the lyme combo herbs and the houttuniyia at the same time?
Posted 12/8/2014 9:31 PM (GMT 0)
I think the houttuynia is the one people worry about herxing on. Maybe start with that one and see how you do. If all goes well, then maybe add in CT in a few weeks. I would go low and slow.

Remember, "Herky Jerky kills the turkey"!
Posted 12/8/2014 9:42 PM (GMT 0)
Congratulations!!! Christmas a little early!!

I know that you are really anxious to be done with all of this, but don't let that set you up for a hard time. Please take your time and only add one thing at a time.

For me, I herxed on the Chronic Tonic Herbs at 3 weeks and continued to herx for 3 weeks (seems to be my 'magic number!) and then with the Houttuynia, I herxed right away and continued to herx for another 3 weeks. So I would not recommend starting both herbal treatments at the same time - you won't know for sure which one made you herx.

I would suggest that you start the Chronic Tonic first, as they will work together with the Houttuynia to rid you of the Bart.

You've waited this long to get to where you are, taking your time now would really pay off!! And who knows? Since you've had treatment already, your bacterial loads my be low enough that you may not even herx! That would be good! yeah
Posted 12/8/2014 9:50 PM (GMT 0)
Also don't forget the holidays are right around the corner! You don't want to end up in the ER with a nasty herx! No herxes allowed for the holidays!
Posted 12/8/2014 9:55 PM (GMT 0)
Good for you! Low and slow is right… keep track of what you're taking, the doses, the reactions… and maintain a good detox log with some "next steps" in mind for increasing it—slowly, of course.

Let us know how things go!

-p
Posted 12/8/2014 10:14 PM (GMT 0)
I am brewing a cup of the HH tea right now-- a light dose- I just want to try at least one cup . . ..
I hear you guys on the take it slow stuff
Posted 12/8/2014 10:36 PM (GMT 0)
I think I will do as traveler suggested and try the chronic tonic for at least a week or two before adding in the HH. I just had to try the HH tea a little bit. And wow, it tastes good! It tastes like kukicha tea or some kind of tea I have had at a Chinese food restaurant. It would be very easy for me to drink this a lot, it feels kind of nourishing. But good thing I know it is powerful stuff-like I brewed a pretty weak cup and drank 2/3rds of it, I want to finish it but I shod probably stop here.
I will probably start the teasel and CT syrup tonight and then start the lyme tea tomorrow at 1/ dose or whatever/. then after a few days increase to full dose.
Then in a week or two add the HH tea. I just had to try it out! that is the plan anyway but who knows.
hopeful
Posted 12/8/2014 10:44 PM (GMT 0)
Be sure you keep track of what you start when, and how much you are making - maintaining regular doses each day is important. Treat these herbs like you would any abx - as they are just that.

And yes please, slow and steady is the name of the game. Don't bounce around between herbs - introduce one and stick with it (unless you start herxing too badly) for at least one week, then add in the next thing. Remember, these are potent abx even if they are in herb form.

I have never figured out why they call Houttuynia the "fishy smelling herb' - I always found it quite pleasant, much better tasting than the chronic tonic tea that I make!! LOL!

Do be sure to let us know how you are doing as you go through this - and remember, the worse you feel means the more you need to detox!
Posted 12/8/2014 10:53 PM (GMT 0)
who knows-- ugh- I drank the tea and now about 20 minutes later I am feeling anxious and somewhat short of breath------jeez! this stuff is nuts.

I hope I am okay!!

don't know what is what.

So my plan will be to lay off the HH for a bit, start the CT tomorrow-- and take it slow. ugh herxes suck! don't know if I could be already responding to the HH tea??!
Posted 12/8/2014 10:58 PM (GMT 0)
If you made the H tea too strong, even just a little bit could bring on a herx reaction - so do what you usually do when you are herxing.

Don't start the CT tomorrow if you still have any herxing going on, wait until you are back at your baseline to start the CT - otherwise you won't get a true sense of how you are handling the CT.

Did you get a gram scale? You will need that for the Houttuynia.
Posted 12/9/2014 12:06 AM (GMT 0)
the weird feeling passed quickly. I had been feeling anxious and a little short of breath earlier today so it may have just been that, I took an alka seltzer gold and a bath and feel fine now.


I didn't get a gram scale yet though I have been planning to. I emailed with the first Chinese herbs co and she told me about 1/2 tsp per cup . . . I will get a gram scale though to get it more precise. Today I did about 1/2 tspoon in 2 or 3 cups of water and drank almost one cup.
Posted 12/9/2014 12:39 AM (GMT 0)
in the end if it is the plants that get me well, I will be really happy about that. Having lyme made me lose a lot of faith in the goodness of the world, and to be healed by plants will help me to regain my faith in essential goodness. I feel really hopeful about this herbal plan! I don't know what my dr will say.

Post Edited (Katebirch) : 12/8/2014 9:42:35 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/9/2014 1:14 AM (GMT 0)
wow dazedpete that is scary! Are you tolerating the herbs better now?
Posted 12/9/2014 1:46 AM (GMT 0)
Kate, you took a full dose and you should have had no more than half a dose. I'm glad you are better now, though.

Dazedpete, I'm sorry you had such a harsh education about herbs. They can often be just as potent as pharmacy abx.
Posted 12/9/2014 1:54 AM (GMT 0)
Traveler---- (until I get the gram scale) so do you think I should do a 1/2 dose for a while? for how long? and only one 1/2 dose a day?

And would that be the same amt but just drink 1/2 a cup? or more 1/4 tspn to tow/three cups of water and drink a whole cup?

HOw long 1/2 dose?
Posted 12/9/2014 2:20 AM (GMT 0)
DazedPete, while you personally may or may not have needed to start off with only 2 drops, it's not a bad choice after your experience!! Some have reported that using only one drop of a tincture has set off a herx.

Kate, yes, I would suggest using only a half dose. I made it with only 1/2 the amount of herb - so 1.5 grams of Houttuynia to 3 cups of water, and drink 1 cup 3 times a day. I would suggest that you use that amount for at least 1 - 2 weeks, before trying to raise it any.

If you begin herxing, you won't want to raise the amount until you quite herxing of course! And then raise your dose slowly. You don't want to go from 1/2 of a dose to a full dose overnight.

No one knows when a person will start to herx or if they even will herx, but the person herxing surely knows when it starts - and at that point you should raise the amount that you are detoxing until the herxing slows and your symptoms begin to settle back down.

I hope I've been able to answer your questions, Kate - I'm being distracted by my 2 yr old grandson! turn
Posted 12/9/2014 2:21 AM (GMT 0)
Traveler you have been so helpful and I am so grateful!!
Posted 12/9/2014 2:25 AM (GMT 0)
Oh good! I'm glad. I wish you all the best with this! I know it's been tough on you.
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