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Posted 1/12/2015 4:44 PM (GMT 0)
Sooo..... I was wondering what kind of advice you guys have for someone that gets sick when they detox. I thought everything was going fine, and then I got constipated and my world got turned upside down. I think the detox problem started once I took that epsom salt bath that nearly killed me!

I've been doing stretches, lemon water, all of my detox supplements, teas, alka seltzer, small walks a few times a day just around my circle driveway, and Im still too scared to do any epsom salt! I feel like I'm forgetting something..... OH! liposomal glutathione!

I rotate these, I don't do every single one everyday. Some days I do but it tends to become overwhelming. I drink the tea every day and take the supplements and alka seltzer and stretch and walk. I do the glutathione every other day probably that stuff is expensive. I do lemon water 3 or 4 times a week. I have a sensitivity to citrus and it give me a rash on my face so I cant do very much more than that.

Any opinions? Is this still not enough? What else could I do?
Posted 1/12/2015 5:54 PM (GMT 0)
Hi IHL,

Are you taking a binder, like activated charcoal or Takesumi? Binders are highly recommended. Can you juice vegetables or make green smoothies in a blender? Have you thought about dry skin brushing?

You might want to start with foot baths and work your way up to a full detox bath.

I hope you feel better soon.
Posted 1/12/2015 5:56 PM (GMT 0)
I drink a smoothie everyday. I don't have a dry skin brusher but I'm constantly itchy. sometimes i put my gloves on and itch so I'm not tearing up my skin. I'll definitely start with foot baths and work back up.
Posted 1/12/2015 7:11 PM (GMT 0)
Just a word of caution...I have a sensitivity to citrus fruit as well so can't do lemon water. I believe you would be better off not doing lemon water as well because your system has enough going on to fight the Lyme. I think you are only taxing your system by taking something you are sensitive to.
Posted 1/12/2015 7:20 PM (GMT 0)
Totally. I have high histamine anyway. I bet that was only contributing. I love the taste of lemons! And I can go months or even half of year without feeling sensitive to it, but right now I think that I am.

I'm changing my diet AGAIN to histamine free foods. So no dairy, soy, gluten sugar or histamine foods. I don't what that leaves me to eat, but I'll figure it out.

I did order a 23 and me test. Im hoping that it will shed some light on this mystery. Ive been on antibiotics since september. And Im having ups and downs. But it seems like overall IM worse.
Posted 1/12/2015 7:38 PM (GMT 0)
I mentioned this on another thread—sorry for being so repetitive! :(

I wholeheartedly agree with the concept that if you have implemented a solid detox program (and I think you have, IHL) then you have to look at the context of your treatment.

- Is your treatment too aggressive? There needs to be a balance between "treatment in (killing microbes) = detox out (getting rid of debris). If that is out of balance, you will remain overloaded with toxins.

- Is there a more dominant infection than the one you are treating? This is why many LLMDs test for co-infections and pay close attention to any clinical cues in your symptoms for what to treat first but this is dynamic and may change over time.

- And do you have issues detoxing due to DNA mutations? If you don't get around those issues, you'll never get the toxins out of your system faster than you're creating them with the treatment and the infection, which carries on until you suppress it. Other mutations (neurotransmitter, digestion, cardio, HPA axis/endocrine) can also hinder other body systems that will create conditions that contribute to not feeling well (for instance—neurotransmitter imbalances can contribute to depression, anxiety, crankiness). This is a bit of a maze that takes time to work through, as well.

- Is your immune system having trouble kicking into gear and eventually getting the upper hand? No amount of drugs or herbs or other treatment can heal you without the support of your immune system. What can you do to support it is key. A healthy gut is key (70% of your immune system lives in your GI tract) so DIET is HUGE, leaky gut is a major roadblock and has to be successfully overcome, tackling other drains on the immune system like a high viral load, fungal load, etc. are also very important.

IHL—you really are doing great with your program. I know you're feeling horrible so it can't feel very positive right now. But you are juggling a LOT of balls in the air, you have been so diligent in seeking information and understanding of what is going on—all the while you are really not feeling well. It's commendable.

And I can't wait until you get your 23andme results. The waiting is the toughest part. But with all of the investigation you're doing you'll be very ready for this next layer of the onion that you are peeling in order to advance to the next stage of your treatment. Hang in there!!

-p
Posted 1/12/2015 8:07 PM (GMT 0)
IHL - I agree with P. - it is commendable how you have been dealing with all your stuff. Just the fact that you keep on asking, searching and not giving up with all that you are dealing with is so great!

I hope this forum continues to help you so you have the strength to keep on fighting - and you WILL succeed.
Hang in there sweetie!
Posted 1/12/2015 8:09 PM (GMT 0)
Pirouette sent you another email
Posted 1/12/2015 10:45 PM (GMT 0)
Avoiding all those things in your diet won't be easy, but there are things you can eat for sure!! I had to do an allergy elimination diet too - watch things where those items will be "hidden" - like mayo always uses soybean oil (I have a soy allergy, so I've been through this!), and now make my own. Soy is in a lot of things!

Basically, you have to fix everything yourself, from scratch. Anything that comes prepared in any way should be suspect of your allergens. No mixes, or mixed seasonings, until you have read carefully on them.

My doc has me eating a lot of protein to heal from adrenal, thyroid and Lyme issues. This means a lot of meats, nuts and eggs for me, as I'm not allergic to those things. And veggies. I eat a ton of veggies!!!

Wasa brand light rye crispbread works for crackers, once you get used to a lighter rye flavor.

Most store made breads contain soybean oil - so look for a bakery and read labels. I found one that delivers to the health food store that I use, so I buy a loaf (although it's expensive!) every couple of months.

But as has been said, avoiding your allergens right now will help you!! Good luck and know that we are all here to help in whatever ways we can!
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