Rifampin - Plaquenil??

Girlie you can't combine Tinidazole with rifampin. Well you can if you really want to and if your doc lets you but there is a good probability your liver enzymes are going to go through the roof if you do and I think yours are close to the ceiling right? Lol. Just saying. Some docs won't combine the two as they just see very often when they do in their patients the liver working overtime and which can cause permanent damage.

Why are you choosing doxy again? Just Dr.C's preference?

Oh and I am taking Plaquenil as well. Just 1 pill a day as it has an ultra long half life in the body of something like 68 days. Just to make the other Abx work better. It is a very bitter tasting pill let me tell you!

Maybe don't worry about the cysts for now?

I still think at this point in time if you had no improvement for some time it is because of bart. Your bart treatment is very minimal I think. I tried the herbal route for bart and it really didn't work out. But I think I'm gonna try again.

What are your lingering symptoms?

Also some docs say rifampin treats lyme cysts. Not sure how true that is as I can't find any reseach that shows rifampin works on Spirochetes as they are naturally resistant to rifampin. But according to some Lyme docs some people were able to get completely well using rifampin paired with something like doxy, that is with no cyst busters like Flagyl or tinidaZole. I did see that in lyme spirochetes cultivated with rifampin... There were no cysts at all formed! Just the spirochetes but they were just not dead, but no round body forms at all.

I would ask for a rifampin treatment. Maybe just focus on bart and forget about lyme cysts for now and you can focus on them later?

Also plaquenil is considered a mild cyst buster. But most importantly it makes the other antiniotics work better and makes the body less acidic sometimes making people feel better.

I asked my LLMD what I can do right now to have a more aggressive treatment... He said just add in the grapefruit seed extract if I wanted to have a stronger combo.

Oh and no Bartonella does not makes cyst forms. Only spirochete bacteria can do it... Apparently it's not just lyme that does that but other spirochetes can as well.

But let me tell you bart is still a pain in the arse to get rid of! Trust me on that. You think it's gone and guess what? It's not gone! Lol. I must have been really close though. BUT the thing is when you treat bart after 3 or so weeks you will feel much better!

Yes you aren't taking much tinidAzole. I am not sure if it's busting all your cysts! Lol we don't really know. I can give you a guess and I would say probably not? Lol.

Hi, well that's kind of good news that you can't combine rifampicin with tinidazole . . . I'm sure I'd read of people who were hitting Bart with mino + rifampicin + tinidazole, and I was a bit concerned that my LLMD had only prescribed the mino + rifampicin. So hopefully that will be enough? :-/ I'm also taking nattakinose and bromelain, which I think are the biofilm breakers? I'm really hoping this combo will produce a long-awaited improvement - after 18 months of treating lyme (including 3 months pulsing tinidazole, which I think did hit something) I'm thinking maybe Bart is my lingering problem :-(.

Hi girlie - I had one month of IV ceftiaxone, then went onto oral abx - 3 months of cefuroxime, 3 months of doxy, 3 months of claithromycin, 3 months of clarithromycin + amoxicillin + tinidazole, 4 months of herbals (cats claw, Japanese knotweed, Eleuthero) and now just started on mino + rifampicin. Plus a whole host of supplements and artesunate throughout. Fatigue has improved throughout treatment, and leg weakness also improved. Felt the most improvement on the combo with tinidazole I think - my depression lifted and I think my dizziness slightly Improved. I was ok on the herbals but think I kind of just plateaued and still couldn't shift the dizziness, tingliness etc. so decided to try & address possibility of Bart specifically, hence the mino + rifampicin. Feeling horrible today, 3 days in . . . could this be a herx or are they just horrible drugs?? :-/