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Posted 3/22/2015 10:30 PM (GMT 0)
After using Nutramedix Samento, I have been feeling awful. I feel like I have been hit by a bus and dragged through the mud shakehead sad All of my symptoms have heightened. I also have developed new ones as well, like joint pain in my knees and Pure OCD (I didn't have that before)I'm dizzy and can barely concentrate or sleep at night. My skin is crawling worser, my anxiety is on 1000, I have the shakes, chills,my whole body feels like i got the flu,and I been in bed for a week. I feel totally out of it.Is this a normal herx reaction ??
Posted 3/22/2015 10:43 PM (GMT 0)
Hey LayTee,

Totally! how many drops are you taking? You can stop it and let your body catch up and restart once you feel better.. Maybe at a lower dose.

Drinking a lot of water will help, hope you feel better.
Posted 3/22/2015 10:43 PM (GMT 0)
Sounds pretty much like a herx. Did you start off on a large dose or ramp up quickly? Are you able to do a lot to help your body detox?

If it gets too intense, reduce your dosage - or stop the samento if you need to - that should reduce your symptoms if it's a herx in a few days if you continue to detox well.
Posted 3/22/2015 11:30 PM (GMT 0)
I took two full droppers of it followed by a swig of water.I completely stopped taking it after I got sicker.I have been talking Epsom salt baths everyday but I still feel crappy.

Traveler said...
Sounds pretty much like a herx. Did you start off on a large dose or ramp up quickly? Are you able to do a lot to help your body detox?

If it gets too intense, reduce your dosage - or stop the samento if you need to - that should reduce your symptoms if it's a herx in a few days if you continue to detox well.

Posted 3/23/2015 8:10 AM (GMT 0)
Wow, Laytee,

That was a huge dose. Well, at least now you know it works!

If you go up to our "New to Lyme?" thread at the top of the forum, you will see a section on detoxing. Some of it might seem a little strange, but it really works.

After you've had some time to recover, you can start with the Samento again. Like, one or two drops at a time (in the water, not straight). Increase your dosage by one or two drops, as long as you are handling it well, and then back off if you start herxing again. You are trying to work up to 25 drops twice a day.

Hope you feel better soon.
Posted 3/23/2015 1:54 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah, that Samento is some strong stuff. Now, I'm thinking about doing the vitamin c and salt protocol. Maybe that will be better for me.I am also going to drink some french green clay to help me detoxify.

achievinggrace said...
Wow, Laytee,

That was a huge dose. Well, at least now you know it works!

If you go up to our "New to Lyme?" thread at the top of the forum, you will see a section on detoxing. Some of it might seem a little strange, but it really works.

After you've had some time to recover, you can start with the Samento again. Like, one or two drops at a time (in the water, not straight). Increase your dosage by one or two drops, as long as you are handling it well, and then back off if you start herxing again. You are trying to work up to 25 drops twice a day.

Hope you feel better soon.

Posted 3/23/2015 2:02 PM (GMT 0)
Oh, Lay Tee,

That Salt/Vit C protocol is super hard on the body. In my humble opinion, you would be much better off with the Samento but dosing it properly, the way it was meant to be done this time.

Here is an old post about the Salt/vit C protocol that you may find informative.


www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2567035
Posted 3/23/2015 3:15 PM (GMT 0)
Are you treating yourself? The Cowden protocol offers specific instructions in how many drops to take. Count by drops, not by droppers full!

http://www.nutramedix.ec/ns/lyme-protocol
Posted 3/23/2015 5:54 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, I'm trying to treat myself at the moment until I find a doctor through my insurance that is willing to put me on IV Rocephin.I haven't been following any specific protocols. But through my online investigation, I heard about cat's claw/Samento.I tried it in low doses and nothing happened. So I upped the dose and now I feel like,I'm the walking dead(literally)

sarahm620 said...
Are you treating yourself? The Cowden protocol offers specific instructions in how many drops to take. Count by drops, not by droppers full?

http://www.nutramedix.ec/ns/lyme-protocol

Posted 3/23/2015 6:06 PM (GMT 0)
Well, since you already have the samento, you can also look at Buhner's site to help you with dosing. Usually we recommend starting off with just ONE drop in a very small glass (like a shot glass) of water: www.buhnerhealinglyme.com/

Once you can tolerate one drop, take one drop in the am and one drop in the pm. Once you can tolerate that dose, take one drop early am, one drop midday and one drop pm. Once you can tolerate those dosages, then work on raising each of them individually. Take 2 drops in the am, 1 midday, 1 pm. Once that's tolerated, take 2 drops in the am, 2 drops midday, and 1 drop pm - and so on.

Many people find they can raise their doses quite quickly this way, yet can stop raising the dose as soon as they find the level at which they start their herxing.

If you wish to follow Buhner's protocol, then you add in Japanese Knotweed in the same manner. And once you have that added in you can add in the Eleuthero - which is the core protocol for Buhner. There are other tinctures that you can add in depending on what you are dealing with, so take a good look around his site. There is a ton of information there.
Posted 3/24/2015 11:30 AM (GMT 0)
Ok, I'll start off with a lower dose next time. One drop then work my way up.

Traveler said...
Well, since you already have the samento, you can also look at Buhner's site to help you with dosing. Usually we recommend starting off with just ONE drop in a very small glass (like a shot glass) of water: www.buhnerhealinglyme.com/

Once you can tolerate one drop, take one drop in the am and one drop in the pm. Once you can tolerate that dose, take one drop early am, one drop midday and one drop pm. Once you can tolerate those dosages, then work on raising each of them individually. Take 2 drops in the am, 1 midday, 1 pm. Once that's tolerated, take 2 drops in the am, 2 drops midday, and 1 drop pm - and so on.

Many people find they can raise their doses quite quickly this way, yet can stop raising the dose as soon as they find the level at which they start their herxing.

If you wish to follow Buhner's protocol, then you add in Japanese Knotweed in the same manner. And once you have that added in you can add in the Eleuthero - which is the core protocol for Buhner. There are other tinctures that you can add in depending on what you are dealing with, so take a good look around his site. There is a ton of information there.

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