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Posted 4/24/2015 6:35 PM (GMT 0)
I am on my phone: meant too type "divided" not "decided"

So 2 cups--1 cup per day
Or
2 cups devided into 4 doses?

How will you take it?

I don't know if I will herx. The only think that causes herxes for me is Houttounia. I will increase my dose to 13 drops this weekend. Seems like I can tolerate the 12 drops well now.
Posted 4/24/2015 7:22 PM (GMT 0)
Ok my question was still not clear but you answered my question. I think all eyes will be on you now lol
Posted 4/24/2015 10:00 PM (GMT 0)
Ha! A step ahead of you lol. I did the 13 drops of ht and I got cramps in my lower legs and some eye stuff. Nothing compared to the first fee times I increased dose.

Are we doing a competition here? Who is hurting more wins the pink tutu or what exactly ? Chuckle

So maybe barto is really not a problem for you! Houttounia is definately doing something to me!
Posted 4/24/2015 10:32 PM (GMT 0)
I never got the Barto marks and neither my son. Were they really red? I have stretch marks but I think they are from the 4 pregnancies.

A toast to you, may that oregano hutch bring you to best health :) let us know how you feel. :-)

I'm missing the neem. Somehow when I placed my orders one company was out and I forgot to order it from the other company. I'll order it this weekend.

Post Edited (Simela1) : 4/24/2015 4:36:11 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/24/2015 10:45 PM (GMT 0)
Good for you Mister Mike!!!
I have faith that the CT will help you as much as it has helpedtraveler and now me.
Can't wait to hear your feedback. Like i said, this may be "it" for most of us, if not all.
I agree with you starting on low dosages. I did not herx bad on it, my pain just increased a little, but i was still very functional.
Good luck!!!
Please let us know the out come. smilewinkgrin
Posted 4/24/2015 10:54 PM (GMT 0)
Simela1, waiting on you.
I am just happy that you guys have decided to give it a try.
Eventhough I am not completely healed due to lack of discipline in my diet, the CT has helped tremendously with a lot of my symptoms.
I have eliminated sugar and use honey instead, and slowly i am eliminating bread and pasta, eating more salad.....but i can not give up my rice...:-(
Posted 4/25/2015 1:41 AM (GMT 0)
Yup! Never had those scratches! I used to get red marks on my skin such as if I would support my face with my hand, I would be left with a Mark on my face. Same if for example I had a hand on top of the other. Those pink marks would take half an hour or more to go away. Never could figure out if barto or Lyme caused this.

Well, I hope won't Hurx much and you will have a good weekend during the beginning of your experiment :) I'll play with my new tinctured herbs too.
Posted 4/25/2015 12:34 PM (GMT 0)
Elme:

I don't know if I will try the tea because I don't think I have Lyme anymore. My main problem right now is barto with very mild symptoms and very far between. I tried Houttoynia and that gives me a herx. The Buhner protocol for Lyme does nothing for me.

Houtt for me does more than all the other herbs that I tried. But I may try it at some point a few times, just to see if I herx from it. We'll see... I've already treated with abx for over a year 5-6 yrs ago. That's when I could have tried this for myself.
Posted 5/26/2015 12:21 AM (GMT 0)
I cut the harder woody herbs into smallish pieces, but never smaller than 1/4 inch. Then proceeded from there. I had the same questions when I started on it too.

And just to clarify, I brewed the CT and the Houttuynia separately, although I did drink the medicinal teas close together.
Posted 5/26/2015 12:39 AM (GMT 0)
Because I was too lazy to make them any smaller. wink No, seriously that was the approximate size my Herbalist had it. I had to use hubby's heavy wire cutters on the harder stuff.
Posted 11/22/2016 7:03 PM (GMT 0)
Hello Traveler,

Thank you to post this recipe for people.

I will maybe try the chronic tonic. Do you think that it would make a big difference if the herbs are in powder form?
Posted 11/22/2016 7:24 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to our community, Healrom!


i'm sure Traveler will be on to respond to your post...but wanted to make sure you were welcomed here.

We encourage all new members to take a look through the thread at the top of the page titled; "new To Lyme?..Start here!" It's packed full of useful information - symptom lists, info on probiotics and detoxing suggestions.


I hope you find this to be a great group of knowledgeable, and supportive people.
Posted 11/22/2016 11:03 PM (GMT 0)
Ok, thank you for your message! :)

I have begun to look at the thread, it seems very interesting.
Posted 11/23/2016 7:46 AM (GMT 0)
bump for Traveler.
Posted 11/23/2016 5:47 PM (GMT 0)

Healrom said...
Hello Traveler,

Thank you to post this recipe for people.

I will maybe try the chronic tonic. Do you think that it would make a big difference if the herbs are in powder form?

The only thing I would recommend is that you use a double or triple layer of good cheese making cheesecloth to strain this with - otherwise you'll end up with a 'sludge' at the bottom that won't be too tasty.

Please do let us or me know if you have questions!!
Posted 11/23/2016 6:05 PM (GMT 0)
Ok, thank you for your answer.

And yes I have another question! :-)

I have read that you took echinacea purpurea in place of angustifolia. Do you know if there is a difference and which one is the best?
Posted 11/23/2016 7:13 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, Buhner recommends echinacea angustfilia saying that it's more effective. I healed using echinacea purpurea though, I just would recommend using the one that is considered more effective by someone that has gone to great lengths to study not only these herbs, but the ones required for healing these infections specifically.

The other thing - start off with low doses and build slowly. We often call this going "low and slow" here. My body has a pattern to my herxing on this - I herx some in the beginning, but the real herxing for me doesn't start until 3 weeks in. I haven't talked to anyone else that has had this pattern, so I'm assuming it's just my body's way, but it's always good to know what others experienced when using the same things.
Posted 11/24/2016 3:07 AM (GMT 0)
Ok.
I'm still hesitating between doing like you and taking echinacea purpurea or taking angustifolia. Because they haven't it on the sites on which I want to order and so it augments greatly the costs if I take the angustifolia strain.

I will try a permanent coffee filter and see if it works to filtrate the thing enough. If not I will try to find the cheese cloth.

Yes, it doesn't seems common for your herxs. Me I herx in general pretty fast if a thing is effective. Like between 30minutes and 2 hours.
I will tell you what happens with the chronic tonic.

I'm not sure that it will work for me. I tried antibiotics and it didn't worked. And I'm under the Buhner protocol for Lyme. It gives me herx, and I think it stabilize the disease but it doesn't make me healing really.
But I want to try it anyways, so I will see.
Posted 11/24/2016 1:49 PM (GMT 0)
Do be careful using both the chronic tonic and Buhner's protocol, as many of the herbs are duplicated, so you will be getting a double dose.

The chronic tonic doesn't work for a lot of people - I'm not sure if it's because of genetic differences or differences in the strains of bacteria though. It's very difficult to know why any treatment works on one person and not the next, mainly due to the poor testing available.

But, no matter what you use, healing from these infections is long and slow for nearly everyone, especially if it's a chronic infection. That's why we have adopted the saying here, it's a journey not a sprint.

Looking forward to hearing how you are doing.
Posted 11/24/2016 7:35 PM (GMT 0)
No i don't plan to take the herbs at the same time. I plan to stopping Buhner.

Arf, I ordered the plants yesterday. Do you know approximately how many people got better with the CT and how many didn't?
Posted 11/24/2016 8:28 PM (GMT 0)
No, I'm sorry, there's really no way of knowing just how many people have used the CT and how many have had success with it.
Posted 11/24/2016 9:42 PM (GMT 0)
Ok. I will try it anyway because I ordered the plants.
I will tell you if it works or not for me.
Posted 11/25/2016 9:14 PM (GMT 0)
Great!! And please do let us know if you have any questions that we might be able to help with!
Posted 12/1/2016 3:06 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks!

Yes I will.

Also I have had a big problem with japanese knotweed. It's homemade from a plant that I have find outside.
I had big diarrhea with it, during more than two days, with strong pain in stomach (it was last week and I'm still having some pain). I don't know why. The JK was not very dry when I powdered it, I wonder if it can have an impact?

I used japanese knotweed from the same place, but I recovered it at another period (in the end of spring I think) and I didn't have problems.

So I don't know what happened. It's supposed that this one is more powerfull than the other one recovered before. But I don't want to use it anymore.

Maybe I will use the preview batch to do the chronic tonic, but I will not be able to make much of it I think. Because I don't have much left.
I may have 1 Kg of the new batch, cuted in pieces, that will be useless sad

Also I maybe will try another thing before, so I will maybe not try it so soon. It's hydrogen peroxide...
Posted 12/1/2016 5:20 AM (GMT 0)
things come to us when its time. adding this to my list of things to consider - with gratitude. neem-interesting.
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