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Posted 5/16/2015 7:43 PM (GMT 0)
I've up-graded (per Dr) my B vitamin brands, mostly for better methelation of my gene mutations.

For v 12 I use hydrxy B12 from amy lasko, 1 drop (1000mcg)

Also take B5 500mg / day.

Did this for two months, it might correct body chemistry, but I FEEL nothing.

It was discovered a while back that my B6 is in abundant levels, but that could mean my liver (gilberts syndrom) is not converting it to the usefull P-5P form, so it just floats around.

So I started an additional methyl muti-B :
B2 25mg
b6 50mg
folate 2000mcg
b12 1000mcg

I still feel no additional energy. Maybe a "calm" sense of mental focus is all- not much though. So, I guess thats calm energy, just not enough. Still tire out real easy.

Red Bull energy drink (which has less caffeine per volume than some sodas) gives me a much desired calm alertness - no hyper feel from one can. Is has b12, b6, b5, tuarine with the caffine. The other energy drinks have more caffeine, those are the ones to avoid IMO.

I tried a taurine suppliment - did nothing.

I got a good 7 hours of sleep last night, mowed the lawn (easy) and then needed nap before noon. I realize there are many that cant to that, but were all at different levels of healing, (or platueing).
Posted 5/17/2015 2:23 AM (GMT 0)
Astroman, I too have tried both types of B12 vitamins, the genetic B12 complex from a major discount megastore and later the Methyl multi-B12 complex from a specialty lab. I pay $6 for the genetic brand and almost $30 for the specialty lab brand. I have about 6 pills left of the latter one and once I run out I plan to switch to the generic brand.

And just as you, I have not noticed a difference by using one over the other. My B12 blood work has always been normal for B12 and other B vitamins so I am not even sure that I need it, but being that people with lyme often take it, I figured that I would too.

As far as my energy level, I also have very little of it and so far I have not found anything that works for me. I think I am deficient in something that my endocrine system but I have not found a doctor who is willing to prescribe something for it.
Posted 5/17/2015 6:36 AM (GMT 0)
My doc has me taking B12 and folate and I felt better from it.
Posted 5/17/2015 9:43 AM (GMT 0)
I can't say what is happening to you, but many people in your situation lack the elemental cofactors to activate, absorb, or transport vitamins and nutrients.

Caffeine and B-6 are also heavily methylated. Perhaps you need the extra methyl groups?
Posted 5/17/2015 11:49 AM (GMT 0)
i was having the same issue and my doctor prescribed me(this is before i found an LLMD) a prescription B vitamin with folic acid, B6 and B12 and i see no brain fog or energy improvements either , been taking it everyday since start of march.....I had low b6 levels on blood test
Posted 5/17/2015 1:56 PM (GMT 0)
Georgia Hunter -

**Could you please elaborate on what the "extra methyl groups" are?**

Still learning this stuff.

I have a Dr helping with some nutritional evaluation data (vitamins and amino acids ect), and 23and data, so far, no great improvments. Its a slow process doing this with dr appts.

I've had issues with leaky gut w/ candida off and on for years. I'm correcting it again. So that can be part of the absorbing issue........and that's why my hydroxy B12 is sublingual drops. But even when that has been improved in the past, it only helped with digestive symptoms, no other symptoms even though they should be related.

thanks
Posted 5/17/2015 2:03 PM (GMT 0)
I take Sam-E for its methalation properties, its supposed to be great for liver support and its role in methalation. If I take more than 200mg, it actually creates anxiety, which is a known possiblity. So I dont notice anything good from it yet.
Posted 5/17/2015 2:43 PM (GMT 0)
SamE is the body's best methyl donor and it's good that you know where your threshold is located so you can prevent adverse effects. 200mg is a big dose and if you tolerate it well, that means that your methylation pathway may not be functioning properly(most likely metals). You eat a lot of meat so you have ample methionine intake(possible absorption issues) yet supplementing with SamE helps. You could be low on the intermediates along that leg of the pathway. I would assume it is phosphatidylcholine.

As I suspected.....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19324042
Posted 5/17/2015 5:49 PM (GMT 0)
GH-

I first tired supplementing with methionine, since that is part of Same-E, then stopped after I learned that can increase homocystine. Luckily my homocystine levels before I started that were normal.

Its funny that cheaper Same-E is marketed at 400mg/day as a mood booster.

I felt no "happy effects" at that dose with a better brand, just anxiety. My mood is directly related to my body pain level LOL.

Not much said about phosphatidylcholine and symptoms on the web. Thats a tongue twister.
Posted 5/17/2015 5:55 PM (GMT 0)
I have to say that I've run my DNA data through 200+ programs to help me understand what issues I may have in detoxing, methylation, absorbing nutrients, processing hormones, roadblocks to treatment, etc.

And, there are so many issues surrounding methylation, particularly the B's that I don't know what to do. I also learned I benefit from caffeine, and cannot process B6… as a follow up to GH's comment.

I think there is a much larger puzzle that we need to understand in methylation and the hydroxy forms of this or that are only the tip of the iceberg… sorry, this isn't a very useful answer.

p
Posted 5/17/2015 10:41 PM (GMT 0)

Pirouette said...
I have to say that I've run my DNA data through 200+ programs to help me understand what issues I may have in detoxing, methylation, absorbing nutrients, processing hormones, roadblocks to treatment, etc.

And, there are so many issues surrounding methylation, particularly the B's that I don't know what to do. I also learned I benefit from caffeine, and cannot process B6… as a follow up to GH's comment.

I think there is a much larger puzzle that we need to understand in methylation and the hydroxy forms of this or that are only the tip of the iceberg… sorry, this isn't a very useful answer.

p

I agree, much more to learn. I suspect that even when some of our Vitamin B levels are within our target range, we still suffer because we can't transport it where it needs to go. There are vitamins, elements, and proteins that are responsible for moving substances into and out of the mitochondria, endoplasmic reticulum, cell membrane, and through the wall of the GI tract. I've focused my study on the intracellular proteins as I feel they are the most affected by chronic disease. I think fungal infections are an issue for just about all of us. Any of you that have taken raw Nigella Sativa seed know what I'm talking about when I say that it burns my esophagus, nose, and even my stomach a little after I eat some. Each day afterward, it burns a little less. It's like it's killing a lot at first and then only a little as time goes by. I don't consider myself as having any fungal issues yet I can tell a difference when I take it.

I also think multiple issues are affecting most of us. I'll use my sleep as an example. I sleep 5 hours a night, especially eating 2 oz of walnuts a day. Over time, I've charted the nights that I sleep 7 or 8 hours and what I've eaten the day before. Each time, it's something different but the same things come back around. Lithium helps, manganese helps, sunlight helps, eating fish helps, and there are a couple of others. I will not sleep longer if these items aren't in my system. If I don't actively try to kill protozoans, I will sleep longer. There is a sweet spot where I can not treat and sleep all night. I could stay there but right now, I'd rather try to learn more.
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