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Posted 5/17/2015 2:11 AM (GMT 0)
Hi all,

There is a good reason the CDC and IDSA are doing what they're doing.

No, this isn't my Lyme brain; I guarantee this is true.

My paternal uncle (now passed) was a lawyer with the law firm Sullivan and Cromwell. If you want to look him up, his name was Garfield H. He worked closely with John Foster Dulles, and he lived on the Dulles estate on Long Island. This is not something to brag about though. Dulles's brother (and Dulles himself) were somehow involved with something called the Paperclip Project, also known as Operation Paperclip (as were Sullivan and Cromwell, and most likely, my uncle Gar). I'm not sure what sort of link John Foster D. and Sullivan and Cromwell had to the PP (did they support it or not), but Dulles's brother engineered the whole project. I am not going to go into detail regarding what the PP was, save it to say that at some point, it clearly involved germ warfare on Plum Island. Google "Lyme and the Paperclip Project" if you want to find out more. Wikipedia has a good synopsis.

Another relative of mine first alluded to my uncle's involvement with the PP, and I've been researching this whole thing for years.

Interestingly, one of my cousins (now also passed away) came down with a form of devastating dementia, and his physicians were baffled, not knowing what had caused it. My cousin served in Vietnam, and may have been exposed (I'm surmising here) to chemicals like Agent Orange. He also did recreational (well, you know) during the 1960s. He and my uncle did not get along at all.

I can corroborate all of this. Feel free to email me, but only if you "know" me (i.e. online) fairly well. I might have to take down this post (mods, what do you think)? My other cousins are all still alive, but I have virtually no contact with them. Obv., this has nothing to do with them, other than the fact that they were his children. Plus, I don't want to put myself at risk.

Yes, it is incredibly ironic that I now have Lyme Disease, and the last time I saw another of my cousins, he was horrified that I had cognitive problems. He didn't say anything, so again, I'm surmising, but he was not happy.

Unfortunately, the conspiracy theorists have run away with this whole thing, and have linked it to all kinds of unrelated wacko theories, but I don't think the New York Times would lie, and there is documented proof regarding Operation Paperclip. I wouldn't pay much attention to the conspiracy theory websites.

Scientists (and the government) were a bit reckless in the post war 1950s (think the experiment involving Black men and Syphillis, along with detonation of nuclear warheads in the Southwest). Some other unsavory things also took place in the Southwestern US. Meanwhile, a lot of Native American women in the regions near where the bombs were detonated now have breast cancer.

Some devastating diseases have, in not so distant history, occurred in the Phoenix area. I don't know if these have anything to do with the government or not. It is a known fact that these diseases can be used as a form of warfare.

Ok, I don't know if the IDSA is being paid off by insurance companies or not, and I also don't know if the current members are aware of the link between Lyme and Operation Paperclip, or not. But I'm sure the CDC is fully aware and cognizant, seeing as they are active supporters of the experiments that currently go on on Plum Island. I think the current experiments merely have to do with agriculture and/or food animals and livestock, and are, as far as I know, innocuous.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a big cover up going on.

Oh, it might be colossally stupid of me to post this, but I thought it might help in relation to all the folks who are being persecuted by bigwigs in university hospitals and ID departments.

As Dr. Liegner, my "ex" LLMD said, the Lyme Disease controversy will go down as one of the biggest medical errors in history.
Posted 5/17/2015 5:22 AM (GMT 0)
I'm reading a book by Garth Nicholson "Operation Daylily" about mycoplasma, a biological warfare tragedy and how it was used on our military and others.
He has some interesting interviews online. Amazing the depth of evil and the willingness of some to cause human suffering in the world. So this does not surprise me. I will look into it more, and thanks for sharing.
Posted 5/17/2015 6:11 AM (GMT 0)
Interesting Lighterbeing, I didn't know this.

Thanks for the feedback.

The first half of the twentieth century showed the rise of scientific technology, and scientists were really stupid about the consequences of their experiments.

Nuclear detonations and cancer are one thing, but epidemics (and more) are definitely grounds for a cover up.

I think we're only beginning to see the consequences of mankind's stupidity. It only takes a few individuals to contribute to some really big mistakes.

When I was in grad. school, I thought Mycoplasma was just a form of pneumonia. I had it, many times. The doc. said I contracted it from my students (I was a T.A.).

Yes, we live in an overpopulated world and a selfish society.

Lighter, do you think I should delete this thread?
Posted 5/17/2015 6:42 AM (GMT 0)
Hi, I personally don't think it needs to be deleted. Knowing of the possibilities may give answer to questions that arise from the war many of us wage with the medical profession and Lyme. And give us the tenacity to speak up and be heard when our voices are muffled by those who refuse to acknowledge the severity of Lyme and the lack of treatment available.

I have been reading on Plum Island since I read and reread your post. Lots of pieces starting to come together. I do not doubt the validity of the matter. Makes me angry. But doesn't surprise me.

Linda
Posted 5/17/2015 9:03 AM (GMT 0)
Collusion and cover up…

I recently viewed a very interesting documentary on the CDC's cover up of repeated interference in reporting on studies showing a very clear link between thimerisol levels in vaccines and high rates of autism.
traceamounts.com

If even half of the egregious claims in this film are true… we have a very very long road ahead of us.

p
Posted 5/17/2015 11:53 AM (GMT 0)
my llmd described lyme to what HIV/and AIDs was like in the 70s/80s all uneducated doctors not knowing how to diagnosis or what to do
Posted 5/17/2015 12:28 PM (GMT 0)
Hello Teragram

My first thought when i saw this post was... well of course they do (have reasons for cover-up).
In all of my research it kept pointing to this... it made me so upset that i had to stear away from
those topics. Which wasn't easy with my inquiring mind... but i did force myself to focus mainly on
healing avenues during research.
But for others who are able to maintain objectivity it is a very rich topic with many interesting layers.
Your post is a brilliant example of that... and the irony... my gosh!

The most important thing i would like to say here is... that you are by no means stupid for posting this
information.
I for one... Applaud you for it!
Posted 5/17/2015 5:52 PM (GMT 0)
I appreciate your sharing, M. I know ALS, is close & personal to u, & yet I do believe a tie-in, too.

Re Plum Is (wayyy too much to comment here), does it make sense that neuroscientist, A.Siddiqui (suspected Al-Q) was arrested & in her handbag written notes referring to mass casualties including the Plum Is "animal disease ctr"?? If you take the time to read books on the subject, there is enough REAL documentation, to express grave concern, especially for our youth.

I've posted these b4, but no outrage...perhaps self preservation, perhaps lumped as "conspiracies..."

Germ Warfare Scientist
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/obituaries/articles/2009/08/08/wallace_l_pannier_at_81_was_germ_warfare_scientist/

Mycoplasma tied to Chronic Illness
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/mycoplasma-bacteria-tied-to-chronic-illness.aspx

The doc, Garth who has been advocating for vets:
http://gulfwarvets.com/testimony.htm

THE LINKING PATHOGEN IN NEURO-SYSTEMIC DISEASES: CHRONIC FATIGUE, ALZHEIMER'S, PARKINSON'S & MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS:
http://consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?id=20000830164126

Mercola article on mycoplasma (2008!!):
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/09/08/mycoplasma.aspx#!

And then good old' Willy (2007!!):
http://underourskin.com/news/lyme-discoverer-willy-burgdorfer-breaks-silence-heated-controversy

Look up code name: MKNAOMI
Or Tuskagee (40 yrs?!!),
Or genetically engineered mosquitoes (Bill Gates first awarded a grant in 2008, to facilitate "vaccinations" & the future is now here!).

And then ponder why oh why for SO many years, have the ailing have been ignored?????????
Posted 5/17/2015 7:06 PM (GMT 0)
It is not an accident that Lyme is being pushed off to the side by CDC. They liaison closely with NSA, DARPA, CIA, and other "alphabet agencies" on health-related national security issues, including, not surprisingly, the economic implications of diseases, emerging and chronic. These are high on the list of national security concerns because they can wreck the economy all by themselves.

New info to consider, so pay attention folks.

Antibiotic resistant organisms are a huge national security concern. They are seen as "state breakers" geopolitically. Widespread use of antibiotics in the treatment of Lyme, for long periods of time, lead the spooks to consider Lyme patients as incubators for the next epidemic of multiple-drug-resistant disease. They would prefer it if we would just disappear.

Think on a macro level about this, because the decision makers are!
Posted 5/17/2015 7:42 PM (GMT 0)
SpeyFisher

Your points are all valid. Also, I don't think there are coincidences regarding CDC's collusion w/ specific researchers and the never ending musical chairs of heads of committees, foundations and those w/ influential government positions who end up on Boards and leadership at pharmaceutical companies, vaccine manufacturers and insurance corporations. In addition to the other main priorities of covering up national security "gone wrong", there are simple alliances easily discovered by following the money…

Also, many, many people feel comfortable with basic tenets of "survival of the fittest" and are perfectly content with letting the weak die.

p
Posted 5/17/2015 8:01 PM (GMT 0)
And yet we are here... helping each other to find our way through this jungle... each with our own unique path...trudging thru the muck... sharing our hard won lessons... helping others strive to find a better way to live... in spite of what Lyme has done and is doing to our body and mind...

We will find a way through this darkness... there is light glimmering thru the trees... beckoning us each to continue... to move forward no matter what obstacles present themselves along the way.

*please pardon my little rant... my fingers went a little crazy on the keyboard... and i just let it happen... i guess i needed to release it and see the words... to give me strength... and maybe somebody else will find a bit of strength as well.
Posted 5/17/2015 11:40 PM (GMT 0)
This is amazing.

I tend to be insecure by nature, and I didn't think anyone was going to answer this post, plus, I figured anyone who read my story would think I was full of crap (no pun intended).

Yet, it sounds like you have all been doing your research, and are fully aware of the unhappy circumstances that have contributed to the history of Lyme Disease and cos.

Thank you for understanding and believing me.

And happyjo, my mother died of ALS, and while I think there is something distinct (a distinct group of symptoms) that fits the profile of ALS, there probably is a tie-in of some sort to Lyme.

My mother and I did tons of outdoorsy things together, and we both stepped into a tick nest (nymphal ticks) once, and were covered with the things. I don't think she ever had her thyroid tested, but in retrospect, I'm sure she was hypothyroid. Her blood pressure was really low. She had had polio when she was a teenager, and I think all those things conspired to create the Lyme/ALS disease state.

Plus, we were both exposed to the heavy-duty pesticide spraying of cotton fields that was going on when I was a child, and the cotton fields were sprayed by planes. I think ALS is separate from, and yet linked to, Lyme, though I'm not sure how.

As for Operation Paperclip, when you consider everything that our government has done over the years, it makes absolute sense that this too would have occurred, and that there was collusion between elements of our government and the German scientists post war.

If I had the guts, I would try to find out more regarding Sullivan and Cromwell, J.F. Dulles, etc. etc., but I don't want to disturb my American, paternal cousins (I'm half Swiss). They had a hard enough time growing up with my uncle Gar, who was a bit difficult to live with.

Interesting feedback, will look at some of the links.

M
Posted 5/18/2015 12:19 AM (GMT 0)
This is really KEY: One of the leading **** scientists, Kurt Blome (who experimented on Jews in the concentration camps), was given amnesty by American scientists in exchange for information regarding biological warfare:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Blome

According to Wikipedia, Blome specialized in the use of INSECT Vectors in Biological Warfare:

"Use of Insect Vectors in Biological Warfare[edit]
In 1943, Blome proposed spreading malaria "artificially by means of mosquitoes" and experimented on prisoners at Dachau and Buchenwald with lice in order to cause typhus epidemics.[10] Eduard May, director of the Entomological Division of the SS Institute for Practical Research in Military Science, received a commission to experiment on concentration camp prisoners with "humanly harmful insects" starting in October 1943, which was closely connected with Blome's biological warfare program.[11] May collaborated with him in experiments on "the artificial mass transmission of the malaria parasite to humans", with infected mosquitoes dropped from planes.

In addition, the Wehrmacht's Veterinary Section, which included research projects on animal diseases being conducted by Dr. Erich Traub at the Insel Riems (Riems Island) Institute, was developing methods to spread these by aircraft over Britain, the U.S. and the Soviet Union.[12] Like Kurt Blome's cancer research institute in Posen, the State Research Institute at Insel Riems was a dual use facility during the Second World War where at least some biological warfare experiments were conducted. It was founded originally in 1909-10 to study foot-and-mouth disease and by World War II employed about 20 scientists and a staff of about 70-120. From 1919-48, its director was Otto Waldmann. Hans-Christoph Nagel, a veterinarian and biological warfare expert for the German Army, was in charge of research into the use of animal and insect diseases as biological weapons. Like Blome, Traub was also employed by the U.S. government after the war as a biological warfare expert.[13]"



Here is the Wikipedia info. regarding Erich Traub, the **** scientist who was "rescued" by the American govt. so they could tap his info. regarding veterinary science and insect-borne diseases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Traub

More on Erich Traub:

http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.med.diseases.lyme/2007-08/msg00037.html



And a NY Times article regarding Operation Paperclip:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/books/review/operation-paperclip-by-annie-jacobsen.html?_r=0



Also really interesting is Patricia Doyle's documentation of what went on in the Plum Island facilities:

http://www.rense.com/general67/plumislandlyme.htm


This NY Post article sums it all up:

http://nypost.com/2014/02/01/behind-the-secret-plan-to-smuggle-****-scientists-to-america/



Finally, on Allen Dulles, and the law firm Sullivan and Cromwell, where my uncle Gar eventually became a law partner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles



M
Posted 5/18/2015 12:47 AM (GMT 0)
Hello I am new here. I have recently recovered from Morgellons version of lyme disease (a few months well now). I suffered with it for a year and a half before I could get the antibiotics needed. I have been working on nutrition and strengthening my immune system. It was the worst thing I've ever suffered through in my entire life of 59 years. I could get no help anywhere. I listened to the Facebook groups and the Charles Holman Foundation and eventually did something right and recovered. My question now is: Do you think there is much chance of it coming back? I've ready a ton of literature over the past two years and many suggest that it hides and gets in your bones etc. When I first got it and was running around in a panic trying to get treatment as fast as possible, I KNEW that harm was being done to me the longer things were delayed. Imagine my shock when all doors slammed in my face and not a single doctor would do anything. This has never happened before in my life. I would like to be able to calm down now and go on with my life and put it all behind me, but........ should I spend the $800 for that one lab that does the battery of tests which find it when others don't? I cannot really afford this but, if damage to me is still going on, it needs to stop. There is a doctor in Washington DC who is connected to the Holman Foundation that I trust to find it if there is anything still there. But if I am now symptom free, should I just try to wind myself down now and forget it? (even though I want accountability for all the doctors who instructed my family not to be pulled into "my delusions". Especially the first one, she caused a huge delay in me getting help and caused all the medical bills for all the other people I had to see after her. She did no testing at all and was hostile. She caused an underlying rage that stayed with me for nearly two years that certainly didn't help my condition. Morgellons has been proven to involve the same spirochetes as lyme, but may involve additional pathogens co-existing according to one paper I read.

Post Edited (mpasq) : 5/17/2015 10:07:04 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/18/2015 1:33 AM (GMT 0)
M~I had not known about Kurt Blome & his mosquito biz in the 40's! (Did look up the reference to him & see the bk by Jeffrey Alan Lockwood's, "Six-Legged Soldiers: Using Insects as Weapons of War" Oxford University Press).

And no fair claiming 1/2 Swiss! In my mind, I am all Swiss!

Pirouette, Lighterbeing & Speyfisher~Well stated.

Mpasq~I am so sorry to hear of your Morgellons. Relapse is always of concern. But as you have been "cured" already once, perhaps you would be so kind as to outline your treatment to help others afflicted?

Post Edited (happyjo) : 5/17/2015 9:13:11 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/18/2015 1:38 AM (GMT 0)
mpasq
I am so sorry you have been through such a difficult ordeal. I admit I do not have much experience w/ Morgellons but would suggest a couple of things:

First, I would remove the MD's name from your post (you can edit by clicking the little icon in the top right hand corner of your post). We do what we can to protect those who help us.

Also, I would do a search for Morgellons, as I know there have been prior discussions on this forum and hopefully you will find some information or additional resources through those posts.

I and many others here KNOW your rage very intimately. Most lymees search a very, very long time before getting help. Many others like me have had their financial, personal and professional lives destroyed because help was so elusive. I strongly support following up with those physicians who helped delay your diagnosis, treatment and failed their hippocratic oath. But there is a right time and opportunity for that but YOU come first. For now, it's probably more productive to concentrate on ensuring you are fully recovered, obtaining the final testing and determination you need to move forward confidently.

Your psychological and emotional health is as important than any infection. Stress does incredible damage. After fully recovering and regaining control over your life, it's good to shift only a little energy toward following up with those MDs and share your tests, and your story and your full recovery with them, along with a little shaming, confirmation that you're sharing your experiences with others and warning what will happen should they continue to mistreat patients. And then you can wipe your hands clean and live you life free of that dark energy…

p
Posted 5/18/2015 11:57 AM (GMT 0)
~Hello Mpasq and welcome,

I think i would keep an envelope with money saved towards the Igenex... just to know that there is a place for that...if i would decide that it is necessary to do it... i would wait until i feel confident that its the right thing to do.

And then thoroughly enjoy your health now... and please share what the protocol was... because you could be helping somebody else... to not have to go thru what you did...in ways that you cannot imagine.

There are people that have been helped here... and come back out of gratitude... to help others.
Giving back is... the Best Most Powerful Weapon that one can utilize... against all the evils out there. IMHO
Posted 5/18/2015 2:41 PM (GMT 0)
Teragram, thanks for posting the links. I couldn't open the NY Post article, though. It is amazing literature, but what is more interesting is that I believe this just touches the surface of the travesty that went on and on and probably continues to this day. So grateful to you for giving us this information.
Posted 5/18/2015 4:25 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for posting, I've read this stuff before and others need to be aware of what and who we are up against. It's a darn shame you can't even trust your own country and the people who run it.
Posted 5/18/2015 6:18 PM (GMT 0)
I would like to move the posts pertaining to mpasq's post, and mpasq's post to another thread, as it's important and needs it's own thread.

So you can find those posts here: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3409266
Posted 5/18/2015 6:22 PM (GMT 0)
See, Margaret? I told you that you weren't so crazy!! LOL! turn

I think there is, at minimum, some validity to those things - at most, it's all true and we are really, really in trouble. What scares me is that I think that at least most of it is true, which is yet another reason I'm getting a larger garden going and learning how to use herbs that I can grow on my own to help myself heal. This sounds slightly paranoid, but they aren't going to infect me and then control the medicines I need to heal any longer. Been there, done that.
Posted 5/18/2015 7:20 PM (GMT 0)
Hey Trav,

I was about to suggest that mpasq start a separate post.

As far as the cover ups, I might (if it's not an imposition) be able to ask one of my cousins, but I can almost guarantee that a lot of the info. is true.

I do think the conspiracy theorists are doing us a big disfavor by making the actual truth "look" like a conspiracy. Some of the websites are really wacky, and predict things like an American holocaust, and that sort of thing is not going to help our cause at all.

I think a film or book that exposed some of this in a way that opened the eyes of the public might be really important. Apparently the books that are already out there aren't doing the job.

Trav., I think I'm going to stop my antibiotics. I'm really tired of hearing about all those antibiotic-resistant infections. I'm also scared that if I amp up my abx, the c. diff. will come back. I'm only on negligible amounts right now.

So I'm going herb only (plus Monolaurin).

I would like to know which herbs you're going to grow in your garden, and where you plan on getting the seeds, plus, how you're going to harvest, dry them, and use them.

Are you going to grow kudzu? You'd better watch out; it may take over your entire garden!! shocked

Yes, that government of ours . . . .esp. in the fifties, was bad news.

Margaret
Posted 5/18/2015 7:38 PM (GMT 0)
Ha ha ha!! Nope, no need to grow Kudzu! It's everywhere here! I would grow it when I have goats again though - it's very high in protein!! Higher than alfalfa if I remember correctly, and goats LOVE it!!

Do what you feel you need to do to get your healing, Margaret. You know my feelings as well as anyone here - we've known each other for a couple of years now!! I do wish you the best in it.

Do you know what you will use for treatments yet?

Some of the herbs that I use for my herbal treatments won't grow here, so I've decided to avoid the need for them instead by trying to grow Astragalus - if it works this year to keep me free from Lyme!! If it works this year, I'll be good to go!! LOL! We are being over run with ticks all over this area!

So, if everything works out like it looks like (astragalus keeping me Lyme free), then I'll likely use this site for seeds: www.heirloom-organics.com/guide/va/guidetogrowingastragalus.html

But, it takes 4 years before you can harvest the roots according to this article: www.chinesemedicinalherbfarm.com/Astragalus%20membran3.pdf

Obviously, I have to do more research....
Posted 5/18/2015 8:21 PM (GMT 0)
While spending too many hours on the computer, reading on various articles, from the work of Eva Sapi, to using herbals more and Lyme in general, I found an interesting article:

Living Next Door To Plum Island; Lyme Disease - Denial of Treatment and Doctor Persecution

Had a few days off, its a rainy day in Georgia and I am recuperating from having a wonderful whirlwind weekend visit from my daughter and grandchildren, I have been online so long my eyes are crossing. Time for laundry. And thank you all for the wonderful wealth of information available here and for taking me down the rabbit hole Teragram.

Linda
Posted 5/18/2015 9:48 PM (GMT 0)
Interesting article, Lighterbeing. Thanks for sharing it. I actually agree with lots of what is said.

And it's been my experience that rabbit holes can sure lead to some interesting things!!

While I'm sure you're all worn out, I know that having a visit from a daughter/son and the grandkids can sure help us remember what we are fighting for!
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