Samento Banderol Knotweed Eleuth Herbal WARNING

The alternative is far worse. Antibiotics wreak havoc on the GI system and some have been known to be carcinogenic in lab rat studies, as well as an endless amount of side effects. There are plenty of people on this forum who can speak on the efficacy of herbs, many of which have minimal to no side effects relative to antibiotics. Of course care must be taken when taking anything into the body, but herbs are known to be far gentler on the system than antibiotics.

It is important to be informed and knowledgeable about every substance you are taking in and how they will balance out. I was surprised at the Herx I have with the chronic tonic.
Then so many medications originated from plants or soil. One of our strongest Medications, Vancomycin was isolated from soil in in the jungles of Borneo.

I didn't realize Knotweed is also Resveratrol? I have taken Resveratrol for years to help with inflammation! I need to look into that.

I am still amazed at the work of Jethro Kloss, an herbalist from the 1800's and how accurate he was without our laboratories or medical knowledge. I was given his book "Back to Eden" from my aunt who gathered herbs with a native american couple who had a trading post in my town. I read and reread it during my teen years. I have used so many of his information over the years but I want to get Buhner's books to update myself, there is so much known today about treating Lyme.

I am so thankful for Traveler and others who have used herbals to treat and their knowledge they so generously share!

Post Edited (Lighterbeing) : 5/29/2015 11:16:49 AM (GMT-6)

Yes, P, I believe that the OP's intent was to warn us not to combine those things - which is why I posted with a strongly worded post as well. It really was not aimed at the OP, only to add as an "extra" warning as well.

No offense intended to the OP.

Hello All,

Thanks much for your replies, and I take no offense at all. I completely agree, herbals have an effect on the body: humankind has used herbals for millennia as medicine. And of course some plants can be incredibly toxic.

My only point is that someone who googles "lyme herbals" and decides to take them, alone, or in combination with abx, or in combination with each other, I think should indeed speak with a doctor and do so under supervision. I even recently learned that reservatrol (knotweed), in doses generally higher than 300mg per day, mimics the effects of estrogen, and those with estrogen-sensitive cancer or estrogen-sensitive cancer risk should use precaution.

Here is the title of the study on reservatrol in the journal of pathology:
Resveratrol Exacerbates Both Autoimmune and Viral Models of Multiple Sclerosis:
Here is a portion of the conclusion:
"Thus, surprisingly, the resveratrol treatment significantly exacerbated demyelination and inflammation without neuroprotection in the central nervous system in both models. Our findings indicate that caution should be exercised in potential therapeutic applications of resveratrol in human inflammatory demyelinating diseases, including multiple sclerosis."

I only think that we should simply be aware of what we are ingesting and how, that is all I hope to impart.

Thanks again for everyone's input, and hope all are healing well!

This is an excellent thread. I have been been insisting for years that every herb or ABX should be tested for compatibility for each individual patient. I agree that there may be a few herbs that are not harmful to anyone under any circumstances, but I wouldn't assume that an herb is compatible just because it is in a book.

When Heather went to the Hansa Center, each remedy was tested for compatibility before she took any. Even prior to going there, we had a person electro-dermally test Heather's remedy's remedy's for compatibility. This is a huge issue, and I am glad that "Mylyme" brought it up.

Don

Hey, Jenny,
First of all, I'm so sorry this has scared you a bit.

Yes, they are very safe. It sounds like you are having a die off reaction - a herx.

This is actually quite common. You will find all kinds of detoxing help by using the search feature of this site by using the search terms of "Lyme, detox".

You can also find a lot of detoxing information in the "New to Lyme?" thread that stays at the top of the forum (pinned post).

If, you can't make heads or tails of how to detox, please reach outfor help - either in here or by emailing me personally.

And above all, I wish you the very best of luck on your healing journey.

Trav =)

That's an interesting question.

See, herbs work to change the "terrain" of the body so it can heal more easily. So it's possible to herx for months during treatment, even though a person stopped the treatment. This can happen on antibiotics as well, as that's when I experienced it and had to learn.

More than likely, you had an overload of toxins to begin with (from the infections), so the banderol and cumanda likely worked, and added even more toxins into your tissues/bloodstream. When the tissues get overloaded with toxins, they enter the bloodstream, even without any detoxing routines. So, you ended up overloaded with toxins, and so you experienced/are experiencing a herx due to the overload of toxins.

The best thing to do is to detox. This could take a while to help, but after years of trying everything else, I found detoxing is the only way to get through a herx.