Let's talk VIRUSES

This topic is right up my alley-its what I've researched-studied now for over ten years.

The viruses in the herpes family originated in monkeys. With the AIDS epidemic, we heard horrible lies about herpes and HIV crossing over to HUMANS by sexual contact w/monkeys; when IN FACT the herpes viruses were cross-contaminants during the harvesting of vaccines using live monkeys!!! Read the books, 'Dr Mary's Monkey' and 'The virus within'.

There's the well-known herpes 1 & 2
Herpes viruses cause mono, chicken pox, shingles, rosiola, and cytomegalovirus
There has recently been two new herpes virus discoveries

I HAD the childhood illnesses- chickenpox,measles, rosiola, and as teenager I contracted HSV- 2.

The herpes virus that causes rosiola, aka HHV6 reactivated in me, similar to what happens w/Shingles(its a chickenpox reactivation). I tested for HIGH current infection.

There's different triggers for each person; for example mine was reactvated by 're-doing' ALL the childhood vaccines, and the HEPb, in 2005, when I was 41-to prepare for an overseas move. I did the vaccines because back then I trusted my MD.

This IS A TRUE STORY OF WHAT I'M about TO SAY:
In the summer of 2007, I was 'home' in Oregon on a home-leave, from living in Asia. I was at a grocery store when my ex-MD approached me. He remembered me cause he'd been excited to hear about my overseas excursion. He asked about how things were going overseas and I told him that I'd been experiencing strange illness(symptoms) ever since and that I thought I got sick from something in SE Asia. He said, "Are you sure you weren't sick before leaving, because you 're-did' all those vaccines right". He said he wasn't a practicing MD any more because he was fed up with all the politics that made it impossible for him to treat patients in their best interests. He said he was sorry for encouraging me to get all those vaccines!!! I was flabbergasted. He was the one that diagnosed me having 3 separate issues-benign positioning vertigo, G.E.R.D., and allergies, oh and hormone imbalance!

I told him I'd seen an American Dr. who looked for "everything under the sun", & he said Well if he was trained in the U.S, then most likely not looking hard enough because We're not trained to be detectives, we're trained to treat symptoms w/whatever is the 'popular' drugs.

And I digress- this is about viruses! Running in to my ex- MD was the 1st of many coiincidences I had that prompted me to research illness caused by vaccines and it wasn't until June of 2014 that I went to an ND who thinks outside the box, and did the viral panel.

My treatment first began with dealing w/the viral load and here I am 1 yr later doing MUCH better!

So what are we supposed to do?

I take Acyclovir for Labial Herpes, but it doesn't help much.

I know that there are some antiviral herbs, but when you add them to antimicrobial, you end up with one h of a herx.

I know I have very high titers for EBV.

When you add up all the viruses and known plus unknown coinfections, our bodies are really dealing with a lot!!

Margaret

llnd gave me this tincture, Larrea, for EBV/herpes family viruses. Mono was the trigger for my acute illness onset. No idea if the larrea can help but I'm trying it out. Need to do more research on it actually.

I know a bit about viruses but most won't find it interesting. Some pertinent info, we can send a man to the moon but we dont have any meds that can kill a virus. Viruses have outer surface proteins that are constantly changing. They change faster than our immune system can make antibodies against them. There are many types of viruses and some are much more virulent than others. Vaccinations against viruses are problematic and create unique challenges that have been difficult to overcome.

One in three adults have the herpes simplex virus. There used to be variants of herpes simplex that elicited effects above the waist and variants that elicited effects below the waist. That is not the case now. The only real difference now is the virulence of the strain.

sweetpeaisme said...
"We can send a Person to the moon, but we don't have meds that can kill virus(s)"

I now know and believe that for me, my #1 health issue or lack thereof is due to having AT LEAST four of the human herpes viruses.

Yes I got 'Lyme' at some point, but the virals have a mysterious(to me that is) relationship w/the bacterias-some of the viruses actually give the bacteria a jump start-keep them going!!!

Eeeeeek!!!

Many viruses utilize arginine during their replication process. People with high viral loads often have a decrease in arginine levels due to this. This reduction in arginine changes the lysine/arginine ratio which is very important for immune response and urea cycle function. This is like a balancing act because we need arginine for proper urea cycle functioning but eating foods high in lysine can help suppress viral replication. Ammonia formation can also occur because of issues in citrulline/arginine conversion. I recommend high lysine laden foods for patients with chronic viral issues but overall methylation pathway improvement is more beneficial because of the increase in immune cell production.

The problem with supplementing with L-arginine is that it can easily reactivate EBV virus - which will really make it hard to deal with healing from the infections when you have a very high viral load - not to mention the way I know that I feel when my EBV is reactivated.

That's a good article about dealing with ammonia! Thank you Don!

I usually only recommend lysine for acute outbreaks from viral infections. There is a lot going on and if it were simple, we would have figured everything out by now. Lysine can help but I'd rather get it from food than supplementation. Increasing methylation would be more productive in reducing viral load.

One problem is that most foods high in lysine are high in arginine. Elevated glutamate levels is an issue for many of us and Dr J doesn't mention it in his article. We must first reduce the glutamate and that can come from lysine breakdown. While Dr J cycles his protein load two weeks off and one week on, I just reduce it to twice a week. Dr J sees the severe patients so we disagree a little on the ammonia issue. I have limited knowledge of those patients so he may be correct on that one. His way gives more time for GI flora turnover where my way just cycles the bacteria.

I've discussed the occurrence of ammonia in Lyme patients with Dr J and because I've used research as references to postulate my theory, he didn't want to consider it a possibility without references directly backing up what I was saying. I can't fault him for that. But if someone isn't doing the correct research, we won't ever see the info he needs. I'm sticking by my guns until further research proves me wrong.

Georgia Hunter said...
I usually only recommend lysine for acute outbreaks from viral infections. There is a lot going on and if it were simple, we would have figured everything out by now. Lysine can help but I'd rather get it from food than supplementation. Increasing methylation would be more productive in reducing viral load.

One problem is that most foods high in lysine are high in arginine. Elevated glutamate levels is an issue for many of us and Dr J doesn't mention it in his article. We must first reduce the glutamate and that can come from lysine breakdown. While Dr J cycles his protein load two weeks off and one week on, I just reduce it to twice a week. Dr J sees the severe patients so we disagree a little on the ammonia issue. I have limited knowledge of those patients so he may be correct on that one. His way gives more time for GI flora turnover where my way just cycles the bacteria.

I've discussed the occurrence of ammonia in Lyme patients with Dr J and because I've used research as references to postulate my theory, he didn't want to consider it a possibility without references directly backing up what I was saying. I can't fault him for that. But if someone isn't doing the correct research, we won't ever see the info he needs. I'm sticking by my guns until further research proves me wrong.

Interesting that you have this belief, GH. I've used L-lysine supplements to bring my herpes viruses under control 5 or 6 times now - this last time I had a re-occurrence of it due to the stress of having major oral surgery. And I've talked with quite a few others that have done this same thing, so I know that I'm not the only one. There have been quite a few studies done to back this up as well.

So, if I may ask; how does one go about increasing their methylation especially if you've got the gene mutation?

sweetpeaisme said...
So, if I may ask; how does one go about increasing their methylation especially if you've got the gene mutation?

Depending on what specific gene mutations you have, there are specific supplements you take to help get around the mutations.

We have had many good conversations about this on here. You can used the search function and find those conversations. Just be sure to put the word Lyme in front of any other search words, so that most of your responses will be from the Lyme forum.