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Posted 1/5/2016 1:00 AM (GMT 0)
I have been sick with Lyme and Bart since 2012. Did not know it was lyme til april 2014. Not really aggressively treating, just taking thyroid medication and low dose naltrexone and I think my immune system kind of kicked in and made me feel a little better. saw an llmd for a year, never followed through with antibiotics bc it made me sick. currently seeing a new llmd that tested me for babesia through igenex and sure enough I am positive for that too. Im so discouraged bc even though I kinda feel normal, I still have lyme, bart, and now babs to add to my plate. this new year has already been off to a rough start. but my new llmd wants me to start A-L complex in the meantime and not start any abx at this time. ANYBODY have ANY advice on A-L complex, I am extremely afraid to herx. my llmd said I may or may not herx, it all just depends. Any advice would be appreciated. I do not know what to do knowing I have babesia too.
Posted 1/5/2016 2:10 AM (GMT 0)
Start off with literally one drop the first day. Those products can be very effective for some people. Also get started detoxing - lots. You needs as many detox pathways functioning as good as you can to keep up with the toxins. There are some good suggestions in the "New to Lyme?" thread and here: www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html

Also, keep posting here. We can help you determine how you are doing as you start out. Once you get the hang of things, I'm sure you'll do fine.
Posted 1/5/2016 2:10 AM (GMT 0)
AL complex is one of the stronger herbs. Some people herx from it just by taking just a few drops. Best advice - start off VERY slowly and titrate up

It is very good though - i was on A-Bart at the same time as AL complex - is AL the only herb you will be on?
Posted 1/5/2016 2:20 AM (GMT 0)
The BW products are quite strong. I am echoing the above advice and strongly suggest you start low and slow, one drop and slowly increase based on how your body reacts. I haven't gone back to my A-Bab drops because I herded badly on 2 drops and I wanted to give my body a break to focus on detox.
Posted 1/5/2016 2:23 AM (GMT 0)
traveler - thank you so much for the link and advice!

chapelle - my llmd wants me to start off slow, so he wants me to just be on AL complex for right now, I barely started seeing him 3 weeks ago. spent almost 2 hours with me on my initial appt! I'm assuming he will be adding more herbals like Abart to the mix. I heard you had great success with AL complex right?
Posted 1/5/2016 2:26 AM (GMT 0)
oh, right, i didnt mean that you would start off on both, sorry I wasn't clear!! yes, I did great on it, actually I barely herxed. But that is not usual for most - I was fine with AL complex, but struggled with Abart, probably bc I had a pretty bad case of bartonella.
Posted 1/5/2016 4:52 AM (GMT 0)
rnbelle - I just started seeing an LLND about 3 weeks ago too. I'm on Minocycline and added A-L Complex about 2 weeks ago. After reading so many threads on many sites about herxing, I was really concerned about it.

A-L Complex hasn't given me any issues. My LLND has me adding a drop every 4 days (I'm currently at 4 drops) So far, I'm fine. Not thrilled with the garlic/onion taste though, lol!

Minocycline, however, was a different story. I'm on 100mg 2x/day and was not instructed to start slow. I ended up with massive head pressure, headaches, and dizziness. After a few days, I went down to 1 capsule a day, then back up to 2 caps a day a few days after that. So in about a week, the side effects went away. This was definitely not a herx, but side effects from the antibiotic (common in about 70% of women :/ )
Posted 1/5/2016 7:43 AM (GMT 0)
Hi OptimisTick - welcome to our community!

i hope you find this to be a great place for support and information. We have a wonderful group of people here.

Since you are new here, I'd like to point out the thread titled "New to Lyme?..Start Here!" that sits at the top of the page. It's got a lot of great information.

I was recently taking minocycline - and my LLND had me do 100 mg once a day for either a week or two (I can't remember ...would have to check my notes).
I even had some dizziness on the half dose.

I hope you keep coming back her to read, post...and please ask any questions you have.
Posted 1/5/2016 2:59 PM (GMT 0)
I'm currently on A-L complex and it took me weeks/months to get up to 10 drops in the morning without causing myself to herx/causing muscle pain. Just take your time. I think it does help though.
Posted 1/5/2016 3:49 PM (GMT 0)
I have been treating RMSF, Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia for the past 6 months with the help of 2 LLMDs. Babesia seems to be the infection causing me the most problems and has been difficult to get under control. I am on several antibiotics, mino daily and pulsing 2 others. With little progress with Babs meds we decided to add in A-Bab. I started with 1 drop 2X day and didn't notice much, after 4 days at that dose I increased to 2 drops 2X a day and that hit me hard, I will probably stay at this dose for a week or more until my herx symptoms subside. BW products are strong! I had tried another herbal mix for babs with little to no effect. My doctor doesn't want to add in the A-L Complex in until we can get the babs under control.
Posted 1/6/2016 7:29 PM (GMT 0)
be sure to let us know how you are doing!
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