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Posted 2/11/2016 4:15 PM (GMT 0)
I'm feeling like a Buhner loser. I've only just started, but am already feeling it and going slowly. I started with one JK capsule a day for 2 days, upped it to two a day spread out. Once that was good I added one CC. Now I'm definitely feeling it- symptoms are worsening, twitching everywhere, shaky. I can't imagine how I would eventually get to a dose where I'm taking multiple capsules multiple times per day. Did anyone else have such a slow start?

Also, I'm pretty sure I have his newest book- it's called Healing Lyme, but the copyright is 2015. Does that sound like the newest?

Wondering which thing to add to the mix next based on his new core protocol. There's like a trillion things!
Posted 2/11/2016 4:44 PM (GMT 0)
Healing Lyme Second Edition, completely revised, expanded, updated it says on the cover.

He says:

1. Protecting endothelial structures (pg 214) - Polygonum cuspidatum (Hu Zhang or Japanese Knotweed)

2. Cytokine remodulation (pg 214) - Salvia miltiorrhiza (Red Sage) and Scutellaria baicalensis (Skullcap or Huang Qin)

3. Collagen protection (pg 214) - Great lakes gelatin, Vit C, Selenium, etc

4. Immune remodulation (pg 215) - Unicaria tomentosa (Cat's Claw), Cordyceps mycelium (a mushroom), withania somnifera (ashwagandha), Eleutherococcus senticosus, Glycyrrhiza (licorice)

5. Antispirochetal (pg 215) - Andropraphis

I hope I spelled them right. It is important to check his spelling versus what is on the bottle you are taking. There are herbs that are close in name.

I just went down the list adding that way. Remember we are all different. And LOW and SLOW are the best ways to do this healthily for your body. Too much to quickly and you will hurt too badly to heal. That was my hardest part - being a patient patient
Posted 2/11/2016 5:52 PM (GMT 0)
I almost forgot the most important thing...... shame on me......

DETOX!
Posted 2/11/2016 6:27 PM (GMT 0)
No kidding shame on you, PeteZa!! turn LOL!!

She's got it right though - detox, detox, detox! Those are typical herx symptoms and timing!

And don't worry about what to add in next. You need to concentrate on getting your body to a point where it can effectively remove the number of toxins it already has so you don't overload it so easily. Herxing on low doses like that says that your body isn't detoxing very well, not that you are a Buhner looser!! The herbs are effective for you, which is why it's overloading your system so quickly!! This is actually GOOD news!!! turn Yay!!!

So, what all are you doing for detoxing? We have a good list, and this is another awesome resource for detoxing ideas: www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html
Posted 2/11/2016 6:40 PM (GMT 0)
also take into account the disease itself runs in cycles, worsening of symptoms then better days. It is helpful to keep a diary. Some of these symptom spikes you notice may not be from medication but from the "normal" evolution of the disease...
Posted 2/11/2016 7:31 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks, all. For detox I do epsom salt baths, green juices, walks, and I've been using the parsley and pinella drops from my old Cowden. I know my body doesn't detox well- that's always been a problem. I'll definitely review the list of other ways to detox.

And I definitely need to work on being a patient patient. That is super hard for me!
Posted 2/11/2016 7:39 PM (GMT 0)
JSlag, if you can, I would add burbur to your detox drops. It's the best of the three Cowden detox drops, in my opinion.
Posted 2/11/2016 7:55 PM (GMT 0)
Buhner loser??? No way! Herxing means it's working and that is success. Hang in there. If you can, try to get a good sweat going on your walks. That's a really good way of detoxing.
Posted 2/11/2016 7:58 PM (GMT 0)
I agree - not a loser...hey you are herxing on a low dose...that is cost effective!
Posted 2/11/2016 9:12 PM (GMT 0)
Ha! I like that- cost effective! :) I just feel like it's going to take me forever to feel any relief at this rate.

And yes, I'll definitely add the burbur- already have it! And I'll keep up those walks.
Posted 2/11/2016 10:39 PM (GMT 0)
You should stay at doses of herbs that don't cause herxing. Cost effective - we are too, and found healing with only 1/4 recommended dosages of a combination of the bart/babesia protocols.

Buhner's associate told me that low doses are as effective as high doses, you just have to stay on them for a longer period. Feeling terrible is not necessary - but let it be your guide. Once you find yourself herxing, decrease your dosage back to the highest dosage that didn't cause herxing. Stay there for a couple of weeks before adding the next herb.

Stay at low doses of JK and CC for a while before adding which ever herb you decide you want to do next.

If you aren't finding resolution with starting low doses of THE WHOLE LYME PROTOCOL (1 or 2 herbs will likely not be effective), please consider adding herbs from either the bart or babs protocol (depending on your symptoms). Yes, Buhner's newest lyme book was published Nov 2015.

CD posted this the other day - a wonderful blog about healing from lyme/co using diet/herbs:

There needs to be real consideration of reducing toxin intake (food, personal items etc.).

Lots to learn from this lady.

realfoodrebel.com/
Posted 2/13/2016 2:15 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you rowingmom. I actually ended up dropping back to JK once a day and CC once a day. I was just feeling so miserable with the herxing I could hardly function. Hopefully soon I can try to start upping it. So, do you think it's better to slowly work my way up on one herb- like JK, or slowly be adding in new herbs, so I'm low doses of all the core protocol, and then try to start increasing them?
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