Confused - Slow And Steady vs Detox More Message

Sorry for another post this morning, but taking advantage of the uninterrupted time I have right now...........

I am a bit embarrassed because, only days ago, I made a post about the "dance" of herx symptoms I have every time I increase my ADP oregano protocol.

Well - this time the dance keeps on. With each increase of one pill, I would herx for a day or two (mainly neurological) then stabilize and feel "ok."

But this 6th pill is different - the symptoms won't go away. Jerky feeling, leg aches and twitches everywhere (even eyelids yesterday), bad brain fog (had hubby drive yesterday, didn't trust myself). Milk thistle, lemon water, lots of hydration, a detox tea and charcoal always did the trick....but not this time.

Anyway - I apologize but I am confused about the messages I read in the forum.....

On the one hand, I hear "herxing is hard on the body.......go slow and steady......pull back on treatment for a bit if you herx.....no need to suffer, etc....you may be a person who needs to take lower dose treatment for a longer period and that is ok, etc."

On the other hand, when some complain of bad herxing, I hear "detox more!!" I have no problem with trying other detox methods on that great list the forum refers to (tons of products with ratings)......but that takes time. Have to order new ones to try, introduce slowly to my sensitive system, etc....all the while, having these neurological issues?

So how do you know when to pull back vs plow ahead?

My mind tells me pull back right now - but then there is the "fight" side of the equation....detox more so you can hit the illness hard.

Please keep in mind I can never do all detox protocols - we rv full time (no bathtub) and are often in the wilderness (no sauna)...

Personally both of the messages apply, pull back on the dose and do more detox, but it is as much about getting in tune with your own body and working out if more detox will stop the symptom flare, or if lowering the dose works better. Regardless, more detox won't hurt, but if you are 'maxed out' on dtox options then dosage reduction is a good way to go. Same applies if you up the detox and the herx is still in effect.

Remember, waht works for one person isn't right for everyone.

Re the bathtub issue - I don't have one either, so I footbath at home when I can't get over to my mums and procure her tub, lol!

No need to apologize!! We want you to understand, so keep asking those questions!! Also, if you haven't realized it yet, you should know that I'm very highly opinionated about the need for detoxing! LOL!!! Just ask anyone that's been in this community for long!

So, correct me if I'm wrong - the 6th pill means that you are now up to 6 pills a day? You may have just hit your top level. Not everyone needs the same exact dose of herbals, some heal really well on lower doses.

There is a certain point in which we need to pull back on treatments. Too many people believe they have to push through the herx no matter how serious it is. Sometimes it's because their doctor is telling them to, and other times it's because they just want to get through all of this as quick as possible - but no matter the reasoning, it's not safe. Herxing can be dangerous once it reaches a certain level. You like to research a lot, so look up cytokine storm in relation to Lyme. I can offer some links if you would like.

With certain symptoms, it's okay to push through for a bit, but with others it can be very dangerous. Any heart symptoms can really escalate, so to be safe, I tell anyone with heart symptoms that are increasing to slow down their treatments.

For those that seem to be constantly in a herx, and they aren't really doing too much for detoxing (in comparison to others that have Lyme), we try to encourage them to detox more.

In your situation, you need to detox all you can, but when you herx for more than a few days, it's time to reduce the treatment to keep you from getting into an emergency situation.

It's a very fine line that's not only hard to define, but hard to find at times. This is where this forum can be a highly valuable resource as we can come here to get perspective. Even milder herxing can make a person pretty miserable!!

I agree with Traveler so much and I want to caution you about stopping. I had to stop because I ran out of something. I then tried to get right back where I was. Not good, I could feel my body say "bad idea!" I skipped the rest of the day and the next day I started all over again with the baby dose.

Stopping, even for 4 days, while the delivery was in route, was a horrible idea and I shall never run out again!

I hope.....

Post Edited (PeteZa) : 2/14/2016 10:18:16 AM (GMT-7)

It wasn't the stopping that I was a mess on. It was the starting back up. Well, now that you mentioned it, it could have been a combo of both! OH gosh, still learning.

I don't know anything about ADP. I do know about Buhner and it is okay to take Buhner with antibiotics.

What does your gut tell you to do? We have intuition for a reason.

"My gut says......."ask the forum!!""

Ha ha ha!! that's actually never a bad thing! We gain a LOT of knowledge and understanding by reading other's experiences and asking questions!

The one thing you have to remember about oil of oregano - it's a very powerful abx, even though it's all natural. I've had many Lyme patients tell me they herxed like crazy on it. So to believe that it is now at a high enough level to be hitting the Lyme isn't unreasonable at all.

May I suggest a 2 or 3 day break, then re-evaluate about if you are ready to start Lyme (or whatever) treatments? That's not long enough to throw you backwards with the tick-borne infections necessarily, although I'm not sure about with the parasite cleansing.

Like you, I'm very much a "listen to your gut" type of patient and I'm getting ready to start treatment myself. I am starting off on half strength herbs, at half of the dose I know I will need to reach - but that's because of the protocol I'm using and I know how I will respond, plus, I'm not at all convinced that I have Lyme. I'm mainly using it to make sure that biofilms won't be hampering my progress and I know that several herbs that are in my Lyme herbs helped to treat my Bart.

I will be adding in my main Bart herb later though - I'm very paranoid of overwhelming my body with toxins. Been there, done that, and don't WANT the T-shirt!!! I just almost didn't see the light of day any longer due to overwhelming my body with toxins, so I'm very, very careful. I've been detoxing for the last 3 weeks, and this last week I've doubled my efforts in detoxing in preparation for treatment.