Detoxing for those that aren't sure of what's going on

As the Lyme bacteria dies whether naturally or from treatments, it releases toxins (often referred to as Neurotoxins). "When considering toxins, it must be recognized that toxins are poisonous substances that are irritating and sometimes permanently damaging to the tissues of the body." (www.benbrew.com/lb/lyme5.pdf)

We can kind of recreate this issue by detoxing too much. "When detoxification is applied in excess, too many toxins currently residing within the body, both Lyme and non-Lyme, become mobilized at once." (www.tiredoflyme.com/4-reasons-why-you-still-feel-bad-despite-detoxing.html)

When we first start off with detoxing, or if we suddenly increase our detoxing, we can easily end up with a herx from detoxing because we simply have too many toxins suddenly in our blood stream and are not getting out of the body fast enough. For some of us, certain detox methods will always be problematic. For me it's the full body Epsom salt soaks, so I stick to the foot soaks instead. The full body soaks simply move too many toxins at once for my body. For some it's a sauna, for others it will be other things. It's best to recognize what detoxing routines seem to give you the most issues and avoid them once you know how you respond to them.

I would encourage you to post your detoxing issues in this thread so that others can see your post and we can have many suggestions in one thread. I think it would help us all this way.

My list of detoxing that I'm doing now, daily:
Epsom salt/peroxide foot soaks
Oil pulling (am only right now)
AVC (Apple Cider Vinegar)
Yogi detox tea (almost daily, I have to take a break every 5 or 6 days for a day or two)
Dry skin brushing
ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid)


And since I can't take milk thistle to help detox and protect my liver due to a rag weed allergy, I use an all natural liver/gall bladder cleanse every so often, but at least twice a year.

To help my kidneys, bladder, and the rest of my urinary tract, I use Nature's Way cranberry when needed. (www.amazon.com/Natures-Way-Cranberry-Fruit-Capsules/dp/B0009ET9ZE)

I use magnesium to be sure my intestines move once a day to help eliminate those toxins as well. -Sorry if this is TMI, but it's a very necessary part of our detoxing!

It seems like I'm missing something, but I can't figure it out, so I'll edit this post if I can remember what it is!! LOL!

I do infrared sauna almost daily and will start doing oil pulling. My doctor put me on a 28 day detox program to rid my body of all the crap it has right now. I used to be on glutathione, chlorella, eating a lot of raw fresh greens, dry skin brushing once or twice a month

Thank you for this, Traveler!!

I will share what I am taking, but will leave dosages out because I am still in the baby steps of introducing my body to various things;

Coconut oil pulling every morning
Lemon water first thing every morning
Magnesium Glycinate, morning and evening
Turmeric capsules
Quercetin capsules
Dry skin brush before shower
Gaia Dandelion Root tincture ***haven't started yet, but have taken in the past
Milk thistle capsules
Nutramedix Parsley Detox (love this stuff, gives me a sense of calm)
Nutramedix Burbur/Pinella Detox (10 drops gave massive neuro herx symptoms, don't make same mistake...go slow!
Activated charcoal capsules
ONLY AS NEEDED - Alka Seltzer Gold and Children's Benadryl on hand for emergencies

Think that is all!

Thank you for pulling these together in one thread - extremely helpful :)

I am going to pipe up here, cause you know I can't help myself, LOL!!

I had real problems detoxing, even using any and all of the above methods. If you are detoxing well and not feeling better, it may be that you have detoxing issues with regard to gene mutations.

I know this thread isn't a discussion on this and do not wish to diverge from the point of it, but detoxing is ESSENTIAL!! And if it feels like these methods are in vain there may, MAY, be something else needs addressing.

For the sake of this detox thread, would someone mind clarifying what we should LOOK FOR to determine DETOX ISN'T WORKING?

It can be confusing through the eyes of newbies because we can interpret things the wrong way. For example, when silly sheep states "if you are detoxing well" that "well" could mean a few things in my world right now....well could be you are using tons of products daily, you are responding well to detox, you have no herx from detox

Then the other side in that post is "not feeling better" which could be confusing....sometimes detoxing gives us symptoms of herxing, so that makes us not feel better, but doesn't mean it isn't working...and sometimes detoxing takes the edge off our illness symptoms, but we aren't near 100%, but that doesn't mean it isn't working....

So please share tips of what to look for/when to consider something like a gene mutation might be getting in the way of detoxing.......thanks!

This is why I started this thread, Ursa!! To ask questions like that.

One of the biggest things I look for is my reaction to detoxing. I rarely feel much from oil pulling, but Epsom salt/peroxide full body soaks make me feel horrible even if I'm not treating infections because they mobilize more toxins than my body can remove quickly on it's own.

Detoxing well means that you are detoxing well enough for your body, by using how ever many detoxing routines as necessary, to help control your symptoms. This does not mean that you won't have symptoms, this only means that they don't rule your day.

Those that are having a lot of difficulty in detoxing enough likely have a gene mutation that is preventing the body from being able to release the toxins - but even that has a treatment (specific supplements) that will allow the body to detox much better.

Great question ursamajor :) For me not detoxing well meant that what ever treatment I followed, even at low doses, the herxing became intollerable. The only way to stop it was to pull off my treatment, even the abx I was pulsing.

Only by quitting treatment for a while did I feel any better, but the lyme symptoms persisted regardless. I went through them pretty much all of the detox methods (I didn't try a sauna, but I know from the summer here that the heat made me feel worse) as I know that some work for some people, and others do better with different detox methods, but found no relief. Detoxing may make you feel worse for a short period, but ultimately should bring relief. For me that simply wasn't happening.

I didn't do the gene test because of this, I had ordered it out of curiosity and held the belief that since I have been healthy and illness free since being a toddler, there was nothing that it was going to flag up. So I stumbled on this effectively by accident and had to do my research. Since addressing this issue I can now appreciate what detoxing brings by way of benefits, when I detox I now feel relief, and can keep my symptoms managable whilst treating.

I wanted to highlight this because, if someone is doing everything in there power to detox and not keeping thier symptoms manageable then they may not appreciate the need to detox, instead thinking there is something amiss with their treatment, or some other factor interfering with thier recovery. Infact not detoxing will hinder recovery, ergo you have the potential to heal faster with less strain on your immune system through detoxing.

I hope this hasn't clouded the issue even more?? Please, shout if it has!!

No, not necessarily. I can't use too many ways of mobilizing toxins, but I have to work really hard at removing toxins. One of the most effective ways of mobilizing toxins from these infections is to use the full body soak with Epsom salts and peroxide - and I simply cannot use them. Not even once. I will end up bed ridden for 3 days from that one soak of 10 minutes. So I stick to foot soaks, Lymph massages, and other means of mobilizing toxins, and concentrate on the removing of toxins a lot more.

Everyone has their own specific tolerance for levels of toxins though, so we each have to find the balancing point - if you will.

I hope that helped!!

Oil pulling is putting 1 Tbsp. of oil - like coconut oil in your mouth and letting it warm up and liquify and then swish it around in your mouth. I do this for 10 minutes. I think some people do it for 20 minutes - I'm not that patient.
Then - do not swallow (it's full of bacteria) - spit it out into the garbage. It could clog your drain.

I think you mean ACV - Apple cider vinegar - When your body is full of toxins, the PH level turns acidic. We want our PH to be more alkaline. ACV can turn the body from acidic to alkaline.

You can take a teaspoon in a glass of water and drink it.
Or add it to your salad dressing.

Dry brushing - you should get a natural bristle brush with a long handle. When you brush, it helps clear the pores which allows more of the toxins to come out easier. It also stimulates the lymphatic system which helps eliminate toxins. Yes, you are literally brushing your skin.
Dry brushing is particularly effective prior to an epsom salt bath.

Yes, you can do both everyday.

I think dry brushing is preferred - you want to get rid of the dead skin.

Brushing toward the heart.

I just wrote you an email about this whole thing, so I won't answer here.

I would caution you on the green tea if you have or suspect you have adrenal issues - otherwise, enjoy. It does help treat Babesia though, just so you know.