100 billion probiotic question

Not all strains of probiotics are the same, and not all probiotic supplements contain the same strain. These variances, along with differences in other additives from one product to another, makes each supplement a unique product. Add this to the uniqueness of the flora found in each person’s intestinal tract, and you have a recipe for diverse side effects. These differences can also lead to some strains being more effective than others. The strength of a product also influences its effect. Probiotics are measured in colony forming units (CFU) which refers to live microbes present in a dose. The CFUs vary from one product to another and as a result, the effects experienced when taking one product may not hold true with another.

Also you could be experiencing die off. Which is bloating, gas and owies.

So either you need a different probiotic or you jumped in too fast and too hard.

If it were me, I would stop and let things calm down. Then add in 1 probiotic and don't take another for a whole 2 days.

See how that goes. That way you haven't wasted that bottle and have really given it a try.

Thanks, members - I agree with you Daisy - there needs to be better info on strains etc. Rikky what is PB8.

Krimpet -Thank You so much and for sharing your own experience, too. Really appreciate it!

AMEN

Got a lot on my mind so I'm up early today and I'll add to the conversation.

Good advice so far in this thread. We can have two problems with bacteria in our GI tract. 1. Not enough or too many of particular bacteria or 2. The wrong assortment of bacteria.

Addressing not enough or too many bacteria in our GI tract seems to be the easiest. Bacteria don't produce energy like we do, they use what we eat to make energy. If someone feels bad when they eat something or have bloating, the amount of bacteria in their GI tract was not sufficient to adequately utilize the components of what they ate and negative effects are felt because it takes longer for food to be assimilated. The same applies when too many bacteria are present and the bacteria over utilize the nutrients of our food to make energy. This often happens with fungi that ferment carbohydrates and gram negative anaerobes that produce H2S gas as a by product of their energy production.

The main problem for most people IMO, is that they have the wrong assortment of bacteria in their GI tract. Antibiotics and glyphosate ingestion have decreased their (our) flora where there aren't enough viable strains of bacteria to work collectively to create a homeostasis in conjunction with our diet. I've seen many people do well on probiotics for the 1st month or so and then not see any more gains. They introduced bacteria they didn't have and needed. This is why I like to alternate probiotics with different strains even though that won't solve our issues. Most probiotics don't have but about a half a dozen strains of bacteria in them and when you consider that healthy people have an estimated 1000 different bacteria in their GI tracts, we could rotate probiotics every day and wouldn't get the assortment that we need. That is why diet is so important for our health. The bacteria in our GI tract that we need to help assimilate food are not there so we either need to eat different food or get the bacteria back. Since most of these bacteria live in anaerobic conditions, it is much easier to eat different food than to get them back but by eating the right foods, I believe we can get some of them back.

Studies show that people with kidney stones often lack Oxalobacter formigenes. These bacteria utilize the oxalates in our food to make their energy. People with nitrogen imbalances often have too much carnitine and too many Bilophila wadsworthia. This bacteria converts nitrate to nitrite, reduces sulphites, and thrives from the hydrogen ions produced by fermentative bacteria and taurine laden fats and when there are too many of them, problems occur. Did you know that Bilophila produce ammonia in our GI tract and that an estimated 40g/day of ammonia can be absorbed into the body through the hepatic duct? Ever wonder where our ammonia issues come from? It comes from urea cycle disorders AND our GI tract. The bottom line is that taurine in fat and the nitrogen in animal protein can increase Bilophila growth and urea cycle disorders and we would be better off if didn't eat meat every day. If you saw the by products and acids that our GI bacteria produce you would be shocked. Lyme could be as simple as Borrelia creating a leaky gut and this overloads our immune response leading to our downfall. Whatever the case is, I feel the key to regaining our health is to regain control over the bacteria in our mouth and our GI tract and eating correctly is essential. Each of us just has to figure out what eating correctly means.

Some parasite cleanses take two rounds to get each stage of the parasites life cycle. If it helped ease the pain, it did something.

Thank You Georgia Hunter and Peteza. I am always on some sort of parasite, bacteria cleanse thing and have been for many, many years. I really only started taking probiotics two years ago - I know what was I thinking up to that point. Before then I really never had GI issues. This year the discomfort level from whole area from right underneath both sides of rib cages to right down to groin areas has been just off the charts unbearable. I am thinking I am doing "everything right" lemon water, detoxing, ozone sauna, nano colloidal gold and silver, zapping my food and water, this week I also restarted using my frequency generator for 3 hours every night. I am gearing up to do another liver cleanse because the gallbladder attacks are restarting. This is just so exhausting. One thing I need to work on is moving more. I need to push through this awful lethargy and just move, walk or something. I am sure that would help GI some. Thanks again for all your thoughts and input members- really glad you are all here! God Bless!

You also have to be careful of nuts and some fruits. You may want to check out the gaps or low fodmap diets. Both are very good and the gaps can be very healing to the gut.

NH4 - you have made my day!! Thanks for such a sweet welcome back! It is deeply appreciated more than you know. It has been a heck of a journey indeed. I'll spare the board the details, but feel free to email me if you want the nitty gritty. So good to see you back in here as well, although very sorry to see you are still struggling. Sounds like you still have a great attitude towards all this though :)

NH4 - I'm so very sorry to hear that! Hopefully you'll be able to get a handle on things soon and reverse the awful trend you're currently in. Do you have a LLMD who can help you? Certainly sounds Lymish. Have you tried non-traditional things like LDI, ozone? You shouldn't have to suffer like you are as something has clearly changed and there is definitely a solution out there - you just need to find it (easy, peasy eh?! ;). Hang in there!