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Posted 5/18/2016 4:10 AM (GMT 0)
Just wanted to hear from people ... Has anyone actually done the entire full Buhner Bart protocol?

I feel a little bit better... And have been off antibiotics for almost 2 full weeks! Well I guess a week and a half.... I feel a little bit better, my stools are at least back to normal. On the abx... I had some symptoms of something on my blood... But on the herbs, I got no more blood symptoms, just the aches from the bones, joints, feet, and still with that red foot rash after taking a shower. Some odd minor symptom here and there... But that it is for symptoms... My cognition is a 10, and my energy is about an 8. And I'm still sleeping like a baby every night... (except last night though- sida acuta?)

I'm taking the Sida Acuta... 2 full droppers full, 3 times a day. I also take all the other herbs he is recommending... Cordyceps, knotweed, CSA, houttuynia, red root, isatis, hawthorne, and rhodiola... I'm missing the ashwagandha.

Last night I took and extra bit just the Sida Acuta as 2 full dropper fulls before bed... But I was up all night. I have read Sida Acuta has stimulating effects on the brain. Has anyone else experienced that?
Posted 5/18/2016 10:42 AM (GMT 0)
Intresting insight on effect of Sida Acuta on sleep (rodent model)
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0102-695X2016000200209
Posted 5/18/2016 12:51 PM (GMT 0)
lymepickle i tried the full protocol along with rifampin and doxy. too much for me my heart was racing like mad which is one of my main symptoms. problem with my approach was i didn't go low and slow i ramped up very quickly so not sure what was causing my spike in symptoms which were unbearable to deal with. if i had to do it again (and i probably will) i'll ramp up fairly quickly one herb at a time, wait a few days and do the next. have to be careful with the bug killing ones Isatis/Houttuynia/Alchornea so these you should definitely take slow.
Posted 5/18/2016 1:57 PM (GMT 0)

LymePickle said...
Just wanted to hear from people ... Has anyone actually done the entire full Buhner Bart protocol?

I feel a little bit better... And have been off antibiotics for almost 2 full weeks! Well I guess a week and a half.... I feel a little bit better, my stools are at least back to normal. On the abx... I had some symptoms of something on my blood... But on the herbs, I got no more blood symptoms, just the aches from the bones, joints, feet, and still with that red foot rash after taking a shower. Some odd minor symptom here and there... But that it is for symptoms... My cognition is a 10, and my energy is about an 8. And I'm still sleeping like a baby every night... (except last night though- sida acuta?)

I'm taking the Sida Acuta... 2 full droppers full, 3 times a day. I also take all the other herbs he is recommending... Cordyceps, knotweed, CSA, houttuynia, red root, isatis, hawthorne, and rhodiola... I'm missing the ashwagandha.

Last night I took and extra bit just the Sida Acuta as 2 full dropper fulls before bed... But I was up all night. I have read Sida Acuta has stimulating effects on the brain. Has anyone else experienced that?

You're taking Sida Acuta and CSA?
The "S" in CSA stands for Sida Acuta.
Posted 5/18/2016 2:07 PM (GMT 0)
I could not take Sida Acuta or the Eleuthero. Both messed with my heart. I have always said that if need be, I will retry them. So far, so good.
Posted 5/18/2016 2:08 PM (GMT 0)
I take only Sida Acuta and Houttuynia, but can't say I have had sleep problems for a while now. I have heard of a couple of people that can't take Sida Acuta because it makes their heart race. One -small- issue with Sida Acuta is it has tiny doses of ephedra in them. Buhner explains how it shouldn't matter, but some people can be sensitive to it. He also goes on a rant about ephedra itself, but that isn't too important.

When I first started hitting Bart hard, my symptoms got worse, including the heart issues (rapid, pounding heart), but that got better.

You said you are taking two full droppers full, which I believe is a little bit above the higher end of dosage. Did you ramp up your dosage at all, or go full in to it?

I did a test on myself, because early on taking Sida Acuta I was suspecting a herx type reaction in my eyes. When I started taking two full droppers, I had all sorts of eye problems.
Posted 5/18/2016 4:12 PM (GMT 0)
I went right to full dose. The 2 dropper fulls is equivalent of 60 drops and three times a day.


Mustard seed. I'm taking both the CSA and the sida Acuta. I figure I might as well lol since I have both. And I'm aware CSA has sida Acuta in it, but it also has the cryptolepis and Alchornea.
Posted 5/18/2016 4:17 PM (GMT 0)
Ricky... Ya keep in mind I have been on abx for some time too I just feel like they weren't really working and I have been at a treatment standstill for the longest time. I have to take high doses to make sure I herx at least a little. My symptoms are much more mild these days.
Posted 5/18/2016 4:17 PM (GMT 0)
LymePickle you are brave to go full dose right off.

All I can think of is you got too much Sida because you had not worked up to it? Just guessing. And the ephedra does come to mind. I am one that is sensitive to that.
Posted 5/18/2016 4:59 PM (GMT 0)
Peteza... Gotta increase the dose if I will ever be hopeful of a cure. I was just on a combo of doxy + clarithromycin + rifabutin... Before that I was doing 1200 mg rifampin with clarithromycin... Before that minocycline + rifampin + azithromycin.

darn Bart never goes away. I realize hitting Bart you have to keep increasing the dose of whatever works and make sure you keep hitting it.

I think sida has some ephedra or whatever it is? Who knows.
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