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Posted 5/25/2016 9:48 AM (GMT 0)
I was recently talking to someone about my symptoms, and I tried to explain this feeling I get after I work/concentrate on something for more than a half hour. My ears start ringing. I get tunnel vision. I get this weird "electric" feeling in my head. I told her, it was kind of a difficult feeling to describe.

Then I was laying in bed thinking about these symptoms, and I wondered if what I was trying to describe was actually an anxiety attack.

Does anyone else get anxiety attacks here?

I find that it's almost debilitating. I remember when I used to get them at work (at least 3x daily) and I would have to go to the bathroom, lock myself in a stall and take a nap just to relieve the feeling.

I'm also concerned because I'm forced into getting a job due to lack of money, and I've been getting more "anxiety attacks" lately, if this is, in fact, what they are. I had a full blown one last night, just like I used to have when I worked. My eyes got beat red, felt like I was going to puke, ears were ringing, ect.

If this is, in fact, an anxiety attack, is there anything that can be done to relieve this?

I was wondering if maybe I've been getting more of these attacks lately because I've been using the Spooky. Maybe it's killing dormant bugs that the abx couldn't reach.

(Also, a big THANK YOU to all of you who tirelessly answer questions on this forum. I really appreciate all of your help!)
Posted 5/25/2016 10:42 AM (GMT 0)
Here is an article I found on the subject:
www.thehumansideoflyme.net/viewarticle.php?aid=28

Post Edited By Moderator (Girlie) : 5/25/2016 9:52:53 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/25/2016 3:57 PM (GMT 0)
Good article, gfields -

I edited your post just to make a hyperlink.



In the first few months that symptoms started for me, I had the typical anxiety symptoms, but they got better with time - even before treatment started.

But, now when I am doing a task that is a bit overwhelming (one that would never have been before lyme) - I don't get the typical anxiety feelings - but my nervous system gets ramped up - I get more shivers, vibrations...and ultimately nerve pain.
I was doing my husband's and my income tax returns...and when adding up my medical expenses...I kept getting a different total...after the second time of this....I got the symptoms I described.
Posted 5/25/2016 5:06 PM (GMT 0)
I get that, but it's not from anxiety. Anxiety feels different for me.

I get those symptoms you said every time I've literally overworked my brain. It's like it exhausts my head, so I get more head symptoms - the red eyes, serious tinnitus, and a buzzing in my brain to the point that I can't really think straight - even though I feel like my brain is working fine.
Posted 5/25/2016 5:08 PM (GMT 0)
gfields,

I think anxiety has probably been my worst Lyme symptom. I've had Lyme so long that I think I've even grown used to always having a baseline of low-level anxiety with periods of anxiety attacks that have come and gone.

I had thought I was close to the end of treatment a year ago. I had healed all my body and all the musculoskeletal issues. My energy levels were fine and I could do fairly strenuous activities. But I suspected I might have some neurolyme still. I still had some anxiety, a bit of brain fog and moodiness.

When I started using Rife my herxes were so brutal. Crazy anxiety and just horrible moods for almost 4 days post treatment. I almost couldn't keep it up but I persisted.

A lot of Rife users say the first 6 months to 1 year of treatment is horrible and I would agree. I think it hits neurolyme that seems to be left by most other treatments.

I'm finally turning the corner now and in the good periods between herxes I'm getting these windows of calm and feeling really good. I'm realizing that I never even knew what it was like to not really have anxiety until now.

I worked for the first two years of my Lyme treatment. But there is no way I could have worked during the first year of Rife. The herxes are just so psychologically difficult I was a complete mess. It's starting to get to the point where I could probably run short sessions to minimize the herx and start working. But it's taken a long time to get the neurolyme down to where the herxes are manageable.

It's a terrible disease and the problem with treating based on symptoms is if you've had it long enough, maybe you don't even really know what normal feels like anymore. So it's tempting to stop treatment before fully clearing the brain.
Posted 5/26/2016 2:06 AM (GMT 0)
Project - This is EXACTLY what I mean. I was actually feeling somewhat normal before I started with Spooky, but I did a session probably no longer than 15 minutes. The next day, BAM! So sick. I felt exactly like I did when I got really sick during work. Maybe I used the Spooky at too high a volt. I think it was set to 10. I read somewhere that maybe you should only use 2 volts. Not sure. But I've been sick for about 3 days now. I'm hoping it goes away soon. I hate this feeling. I have to start work next week again. Or at least start interviewing. Not sure how I'll go about it, if I feel like this. We'll see!

Trav - This is EXACTLY how I feel. You hit the nail on the head. It never quite felt exactly like "anxiety" so I never classified it as that. But I was trying to explain what happens with a little bit of stress to the Disability lady, and I just found myself at a loss for words because someone who has never had lyme before won't really get it. But ya, you described the feeling exactly. "red eyes, serious tinnitus, and a buzzing in my brain to the point that I can't really think straight - even though I feel like my brain is working fine."

It also kind of feels like this weird energy in my head. And almost like a giant has my head in the palm of his hand and is squeezing it. I don't know. It's weird.

Girlie - Yes, the more mental work I do, the more the symptoms come on.
Posted 5/26/2016 2:31 AM (GMT 0)
It sounds to me like a classic neuroherx from Rife. I used 10V as well when I was using the contact generator. It's really the frequency and time that is doing it. 15 minutes is really long if you're just starting out.

Rife is strange and it's hard to accept that it's not some weird effect from putting electricity in your body. But test it out by running the 10,000 hz detox frequency only sometime. You won't have a negative reaction like you will with the killing frequencies.

If you're starting work it would be tough to Rife to be honest. The point I'm at now is that I probably could work but only if I stopped treatment as the herxes are still too rough. I have kept increasing the time each session though, and slowly symptoms are going away, so I am making progress.

This cursed bacteria has such an effective survival strategy. It makes getting rid of it such a painful proposition that few can work during, yet it takes so long few have the means to not. It also is so stealthy that the normal healthcare system won't provide assistance to people infected with it. It's a too fiendishly good a strategy for a mere bacteria to have come up with it.

To me the holy grail is to get to the point that I can Rife with minimal herxing to keep it at bay and not have it affect my work. It seems some get there but it's a long road and I only have so much time before I am forced back into the job market.
Posted 5/26/2016 3:05 AM (GMT 0)
Yes, it sounds like you're in the same situation that I'm in. I thought I had until September to treat this, but UI said time was up last week. So I'm forced back into work.

I think you're right about the holy grail. I'll need to find a balance between working and Rifing. Maybe if I use it at a lower setting for awhile, or less time. Probably for the first month of work, I'll stop treatment altogether, and once I get settled in, I'll try to start it up again.

Given my strong reaction to Spooky, I wonder if Spooky is really all I need. Maybe I'll quit the abx. I don't like the idea of overusing abx anyway, and my LLMD is getting really expensive at 300 a visit. I think the Spooky makes me herx much harder than the abx does, and I bet the reason is because it's getting at the hidden reservoir of spyrochetes that the abx can't touch.

In Mass, which is where I'm from, they're trying to push a bill for lyme coverage via insurance companies. It's a step in the right direction, at least.

Project, when you use your Spooky with contact mode, do you hold the handles in your hands? That's what I did at first, but then the other night when I got hit hard with the herx, I had the handles in between my legs. Not sure if maybe switching the positions of the handles made me herx harder. Maybe there was a good sized reservoir in my legs or something. Who knows.

...

As a side note, I've decided my dead-end job is not going to cut it any longer, especially if I'm going to continue to need to deal with this disease. I think I'm getting forced into the need for "passive income" to supplement my need for more money. I'm looking into buying a rental property to get passive income flow. I'd imagine other lymies might need a source of passive income as well. ... I guess this is a tangent, but thought I'd mention it.

Post Edited (gfields) : 5/25/2016 9:08:46 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/26/2016 3:32 AM (GMT 0)
Yeah it's not the best position to be in, I really hope they start passing these bills to get people proper medical leave coverage. It might be possible to reduce the length of the session and still be able to function at work.

The good thing about Rife is that it is fairly precise in that you can dial in a treatment and herx fairly predictably from it. The issue then becomes how much do you have to run it in order to make progress on reducing the bacterial population.

This guy used a Spooky machine with handheld contacts to recover:
/www.amazon.com/Naturals-Rife-Company-Spooky-MISSING-ebook/dp/B00O90FI86

In his book he said that it was important to get ahead of the reproductive lifecycle of the bacteria. He also has a Facebook group - Naturals for Lyme and Company that might be worth checking out.

I suspect that if you are able to increase the session time regularly while maintaining the same herx level you know you are making process in reducing the bacterial numbers.

I was introduced to Rife by a GB4000 guy who had recovered from Lyme using it and let me try his machine. His method was to move the cylinders around his body during the treatment, maintaining contact with the skin. I think this probably helps the current reach the areas in the body more evenly.

Sounds like a rental property would be potentially worth looking into. I just may have to move when I get a new job so I'm trying to stay fairly mobile.

Post Edited (project) : 5/25/2016 9:35:49 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/26/2016 5:49 AM (GMT 0)
Gfields did you make any gains on the im rocephin? ..i too got a spooky but contact seems like it would only get where there is water .or turn your body into a radio transmitter ...i read the og rife did both foot plates and plasma bulb i did try on the central ...i dont know i think i herx all the time or i feel like poo all the time ...
Rentals are good ...they aint making any more land ...maybe play stocks ...

as far as axiety i feel like i am dying every day and freak out ,not confy in my skin ,i think its bart ,and i read one has to rife 2x a day and use herbs to get ahead of it ...there are frequencys for proto and mycoplasma incognitus too...yay...i miss my life ...hw rocks

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 5/25/2016 11:52:30 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/27/2016 4:44 AM (GMT 0)
Project - thanks again for this terrific information. You read my mind. I was thinking about the lifecycle of spirochetes today. I was wondering how to set up a schedule where I could make progress killing them, yet not be totally sick all the time. I'm sure there's a balancing act that can be set just right so you can stay ahead of the turn. I'll check out Pat Smith's book.

This is what I have to stay mobile... although it mostly lives in the garage:
https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=english&rais=1&oiu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toyotamotorhomes.com%2Fmanufactpics%2F76chinook%2F54916478_1.jpg&sp=a662fcacfd8239ffa264f9c21c54e2b8

bluelyme - I was taking the rocephin. I think it helped a little. It's hard to say. I kinda stopped taking it, because you develop these like hard knot like things at the injection site. That, and it's painful, and time consuming. When I'm not taking any medication or injections or using Spooky, I feel pretty darn good. But my doc said that I need to continue taking my meds until I can take the meds and not feel sick. And when I get to that point, I need to continue taking them for 4 months after that.

Well, I've found I can't continously take those meds more more than a week without becoming very ill. So I try to pulse them. I take them for about 5 days at most, and then I need to stop, and recover for 4 days, and then I take them again. I don't really like doing that, because I worry about developing my own superbug that will grow resistant to abx. That's why I've become interested in Spooky after having such an incredibly strong herx from it. It seems to be much stronger than the abx, without the risk of developing a superbug, and the (apparent) ability to customize how strong your herx will be.
Posted 5/27/2016 4:47 AM (GMT 0)
Project - did you follow the advice in Pat's book? Did you find his Spooky settings to be helpful?
Posted 5/27/2016 7:00 PM (GMT 0)
gfields - Nice RV! I've definitely get RV envy from time to time.

I was camping around the southwest for a week about a month ago and seeing the RV people just pull up to a site looked a lot easier than my setup.

I do have one of these, a little wood-fired portable sauna for camping so I can still detox in the great outdoors: www.sauna-anywhere.com/#!product/prd1/3704059551/mb-10

I must say that emerging from the sauna on a moonlit night overlooking the Sedona red rocks is up there with some of my best sauna sessions.

Pat Smith's book is a bit disjointed but it contains good info. I have had good results with the frequencies he used, they are similar to the ones advocated by the Rifing Lyme Facebook group. He used a _lot_ of natural products as well as Rife. I think his success goes to show the results achieved when you leverage an array of tools and bring them to bear against Lyme & co in a systematic way.
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