Adding herbals to antibiotics

I had to stop oral antibiotics because of severe GI issues. I've been in bicillin injections once a week for the last two months. (2.4 million) I have noticed some improvement unlike the oral antibiotics. My doctor wants to add more oral antibiotics but I told him I don't want to because on my GI problems. I asked about herbals instead and he said I can try samento and banderol instead. He didn't know much about them or the dose to take.

I just had a few questions before I start doing this.

Is samento/cat claw and banderal easy on the gut? (It has to be better than antibiotics) I just checked and buhner didn't seem to have any evidence supporting the use of banderol.

Should I follow the dosing on the bottle or buhners protocol?

Have people had luck with these two herbs? Should I add more? (My doc doesn't know much about herbals)

Thanks!!

Hi Sean,

I'm not sure about how easy they are on the gut but other people here will know for sure!

I would follow Buhner protocol dosage. The dosage on bottles is usually for someone taking it as a health supplement, not as a protocol to overcome chronic illness. Just make sure what's in the bottle is the exact same herb as what Buhner is talking about if you're following his dosage.

Are you on any probiotics while taking antibiotics? (edit, Traveler, great minds think alike :P)

Sean I'm also on VSL #3 DS its quite a lot of bacteria! Not sure what else you're replacing it with but PB8 is a good one I also layer in at times.

Yes I was looking at his website. I don't have his book. Does anyone know the core protocol or would I need to purchase the book?

Endothelial Protection:
Japanese Knotweed

Cytokine Remodulation:
Red Sage
Chinese Skullcap

Collagen Protection:
Great Lakes Gelatin Powder
Vitamin C
Selenium

Immune Remodulation:
Cat's Claw
Eleuthero
Cordycepts
Ashwagandha
Licorice

Antispirochetal:
andropgraphis

However, I highly recommend his book because it goes into detail about dosages, and preferred ways to take each one (capsule, powder, or tincture).

There's also a nice list of herbs to add for specific symptoms like fever, anxiety, eye involvement, headache, etc.

Mustard Seed said...
Endothelial Protection:
Japanese Knotweed

Cytokine Remodulation:
Red Sage
Chinese Skullcap

Collagen Protection:
Great Lakes Gelatin Powder
Vitamin C
Selenium

Immune Remodulation:
Cat's Claw
Eleuthero
Cordycepts
Ashwagandha
Licorice

Antispirochetal:
andropgraphis

However, I highly recommend his book because it goes into detail about dosages, and preferred ways to take each one (capsule, powder, or tincture).

There's also a nice list of herbs to add for specific symptoms like fever, anxiety, eye involvement, headache, etc.

So, in his latest edition for lyme - there isn't a Core Protocol...and then you add based on symptoms?
(That's how the bartonella protocol is setup)

Or is that the core protocol - divided into different sections?

Thanks bdavis. Wow, that's quite extensive - compared to his old lyme protocol.

His books are 10 bucks or less on on kindle. It's more than worth it. Make sure you get his coinfection books as well, lyme is a bacterial package deal.

Tons of other helpful information you are going to want to read other than just the protocol.

Thanks for the additional info... well that has not been a good journey for you so far.

BTW - how did they "rule out" Candida? =

So - a few suggestions:

I ask about the Candida dx because the way you describe the swollen throat, soreness and acid "taste" is common for me when I'm treating yeast/fungal overgrowth. What happens is that y/f generally originates in the gut (particularly for those of us on oral abx). Then it grows up the throat and can react to anti fungal taken orally and the die off can cause the throat to feel swollen, tight and can give you an acid taste. Just a thought.

Also, all natural antifungals need to be rotated - you should take more than one (there are many strains of yeast/fungus and GSE is not effective against all) but no more than two at a time and then rotate to different ones every couple of wks to prevent the yeast/fungus from becoming resistant to them.

You might want to try drinking aloe vera juice and incorporating a binder. And for the life of me, I can't remember what else I was going to suggest to help soothe... sorry... it'll come back to me. Stoopid lamelymebrain!

-p

OK---so here is my opinion on that. I'm not saying they were wrong... but it's another rock to look under.

Diflucan isn't effective against all strains--none of the systemic antifungals or natural antifungals are. They work differently than abx but the concept of needing to find out which antifungals hit the particular strain your targeting--is similar. Diflucan had no effect on me but Ketoconazole knocked me into a die off of astronomic proportions.

Also, Nystatin is a great anti fungal (and also could be ineffective against certain strains) but the biggest issue w/ Nystatin is the weak versions they've manufactured. The pills and liquids are full of fillers and sometimes even sugar, plus they are expensive. The best, most effective form of Nystatin is the PURE powder form. You add a little to water, swallow it and it coats your throat --killing on contact. Pills can't do this.

You can usually see yeast/fungus overgrowth--unless it's immersed into biofilm, which can also happen. So that does jibe with your examination.

So - as you pursue other possibilities, keep this in the back of your mind in case nothing else pans out.

And please be sure to let us know how your investigation is going... hope you find some answers.

ETA: sorry - forgot to answer your questions!

First, you can still also generate the acid reflux from y/f so the acid you taste is probably digestive acids.

You can try doubling up on couple good OTC binders - activated charcoal capsules and bentonite clay. A serious binder is PURE cholestyramine. It's not OTC and a little expensive but it's the best stuff--don't bother with the manufactured versions (Welchol, etc).

You probably already know this - with binders: wait 1-2 hrs after eating/drinking/taking anything before taking the binder, and then wait 2-3 hrs after the binder before eating/drinking/taking anything. Except water - drink lots of water, particularly with the binder--helps keep things moving and flushing.

-p

Post Edited (Pirouette) : 6/2/2016 7:19:54 PM (GMT-6)

Hi!

I had severe gastro issues related to lyme and co. I still have stomach aches and reflux, but I did not have problem using the nutramedix herbs (such as samento and banderol).

Thanks for all the info on antifungals! I'm looking in to it right now.

Sean, I don't know that we know that answer. This whole journey of lyme treatment is a trial and error process. Sadly, there is not a precise treatment that cures us.

My suggestion is that you give it a go. If it doesn't give you the results you are looking for, then you either add something else or go on to try something new.

We are our own guinea pigs.

Herbal treatments have been given to us by people reporting good results. I choose to go with a treatment that has shown positive results. I was too sick and tired to be a discoverer.