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Posted 6/11/2016 5:50 AM (GMT 0)
I realized after rotating back in some cryptolepsis last week that I'm still dealing with a stealth proto that wasn't getting hit by my 570hz Babesia frequency.

Based on bluelyme's experience I tried the Protomyxzoa Rheumatica CUST frequency set on Spooky.

Got a major herx in all my stubborn remaining bone areas, teeth roots, jaw, sinuses, shin bones. It seems to love hiding out in these areas based on my reaction. Also brain fog which I haven't had in ages.

Makes sense as I've had to deal with so much biofilm over the years. This bug is a prolific biofilm generator apparently.

I'm gonna root this sucker out!!
Posted 6/11/2016 10:05 AM (GMT 0)
Keep us informed on your progress. Going on a low fat diet (25g per day) will increase biofilm degradation. Taking Nopal Cactus with meals will help as well.
Posted 6/11/2016 6:05 PM (GMT 0)
Congratulations on the progress!! I hope it continues for you!
Posted 6/11/2016 9:17 PM (GMT 0)
GH - I'll look into the low fat diet and nopal cactus. My diet is anything but low fat at the moment.

Trav - I was somewhat aware of proto before but I hadn't looked at it closely until I herxed from these specific frequencies.

I found a pdf that has some good info on it:

Protomyxzoa rheumatica Clinical observations and experience
protomyxzoa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Protomyxzoa_rheumatica.pdf

I've definitely had a number of the listed symptoms that persisted despite treating for Borrelia, Bartonella, and Babesia:

"-Cold hands and feet, often clammy
– Poor to “pathetic” capillary refill, skin color changes –
pale, dusky, hyperemic (red), purple, mottled
– HA, pain behind/in eyes
– Scalp sores
– Sinus congestion, PND, teeth pain
– Palpitations
– SOB, air hunger, dry cough, episodic and periodic
– Abdominal pain, nausea, IBS
Bladder pain/dysfunction, interstitial cystitis
– Joint and muscle pain, weakness, twitches
– Profound fatigue, complete loss of aerobic exercise
tolerance
– Sweats (night/day), chills, flushes, dizziness
– Insomnia, profound brain fog, poor balance
– Anxiety, panic, OCD, irritability, agitation, impulsivity,
ADD, emotionality
– Hypercoagulability

...

– For some very chronic patients, able to make dramatic
shifts in decades old symptoms by killing this organism!"

Here's hoping!
Posted 6/11/2016 9:21 PM (GMT 0)
Also found this thread that mentions that proto causes teeth and jaw pain which are two of my most stubborn symptoms:

flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/126956
Posted 6/11/2016 10:54 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you for sharing that, Project! I know someone that needs this information!
Posted 6/11/2016 11:44 PM (GMT 0)
GH - I found a paper that might be relevant:

"The mechanisms involved in lipid changes related to parasite infections remain uncertain. Cholesterol starvation initiates encystations. This indicates that cholesterol has a role in pathogenesis as it helps the parasite to remain in trophozoite stage."

Role of cholesterol in parasitic infections
/lipidworld.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1476-511X-4-10

This would seem to mesh with the anecdotal reports of being able to get into a state of remission by staying on a very low fat diet. But a common refrain is that reintroducing fats seems to cause proto to quickly reappear.

It seems like with Rife the frequencies generally hit active rather than cyst forms of different pathogens. So I wonder if in this case it might be better to stay on a normal fat intake while I try to target it.
Posted 6/12/2016 12:28 AM (GMT 0)
How does one get proto?
Posted 6/12/2016 12:45 AM (GMT 0)
"Protomyxzoa has been isolated from Culex tarsalis and Culex quinquefasciatus mosquitoes. 81% by PCR carried Protomyxzoa."

lookingatlyme.blogspot.com/2012/07/protomyxzoa-rheumatica-implicated-in.html

I checked the range of these suckers (pun intended):

"Culex tarsalis is a North American species of mosquito that occupies a large swath of territory between northern Mexico and southern Canada, spreading from the Pacific to the Atlantic coast."

"Culex quinquefasciatus (earlier known as Culex fatigans), the southern house mosquito, is a medium-sized mosquito found in tropical and subtropical regions of the world."

Hmm...

Here's an excerpt of an podcast interview with Dr Ann Corson where she discusses it:

www.goodbyelyme.com/audio/ann_corson/ann_corson_protomyxzoa_blogtalk25mar2012.mp3
Posted 6/12/2016 3:07 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the great links project. ..alinia kicking up something too.die proto die
Posted 6/12/2016 10:31 AM (GMT 0)

project said...
GH - I found a paper that might be relevant:

"The mechanisms involved in lipid changes related to parasite infections remain uncertain. Cholesterol starvation initiates encystations. This indicates that cholesterol has a role in pathogenesis as it helps the parasite to remain in trophozoite stage."

Role of cholesterol in parasitic infections
/lipidworld.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1476-511X-4-10

This would seem to mesh with the anecdotal reports of being able to get into a state of remission by staying on a very low fat diet. But a common refrain is that reintroducing fats seems to cause proto to quickly reappear.

It seems like with Rife the frequencies generally hit active rather than cyst forms of different pathogens. So I wonder if in this case it might be better to stay on a normal fat intake while I try to target it.


Great link project. This one link has led me to 2 hours of reading and many great references. I still have several more hours of reading but I'm running out of time and will have to complete it later. Here is a link I already had on my computer but correlates to what were are discussing.

journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1000899

Figure 1 in this article shows the proposed etiology of infection from whatever it is that I have. You can note the problem of elevated polyamine production that I have discussed in the past. You may also note that collagen deposition is also controlled by this pathway. I only have one subcutaneous fatty deposit but I've worked hard through nutritional intake to limit them. Lithium also blocks polyamine target sites inside the cell.
Posted 6/12/2016 11:02 PM (GMT 0)
GH - Interesting paper. So arginine generally has an anti-microbial effect through the generation of NOS, and arginase is sometimes used by microbes to reduce the available arginine / NOS.

So given this, do you know why is arginine contraindicated in the case of proto infections?
Posted 6/12/2016 11:06 PM (GMT 0)
Found an interview with Dr. Fry who discovered proto (around 8:00):

"When we get this disease under control, the hemobartonella goes away, the fungal elements go away."

www.blogtalkradio.com/pamcrane/2011/05/19/1-step-blood-test-discovers-protozoa-under-biofilm-structure?sms_ss=email&at_xt=4dd6203db4259bdf&Aid=CJSource&utm_source=CJ&Pid=3747368
Posted 6/13/2016 12:33 AM (GMT 0)
That link won't work for me project. I get the site but the video won't play and no article.

As for arginine, Dr Fry told me he believes it is utilized by the organism during replication. While this may be true, not eating arginine will lead to arginine deficiency. In the beginning of my illness, I kept a food log of everything I ate and how I felt. What I discovered is that everything high in arginine made me feel better. This led to arginine's roll in the body and how Trypanosoma can alter Ornithine Decarboxylase. This lead to the polyamines' roll in my disease which lead to nitrogen intake as something that increased polyamine production and weakened my immune response.

I have a great paper on polyamines if you want to see it. It's scientific and 28 pages, so don't hate the big words. Just email me and I'll send it your way.

Post Edited (Georgia Hunter) : 6/20/2016 7:14:09 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/19/2016 5:30 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the paper GH.

The herx from those Protomyxzoa frequencies was pretty rough.

I ran them only for 1 minute total and had a full week of herxing where I was almost totally incapacitated. Almost ran out of food I have in my place by the end of it.
In case anyone else has a different Rife machine without these frequencies in it's database they are: 1583hz, 515hz, and 515-521hz (sweep)

Felt pretty good after the herx subsided. I think my vision has improved. Also my mood seems to be better than before. I did a hill climb bike ride yesterday morning before it got too hot and my energy was good:
303cycling.com/Four-mile-poormans-bike-route-hill-climb

I just started taking Alinia and it's definitely killing the same bug that the proto frequencies hit. Got major flares in my shin bone pain and jaw / sinus / teeth pain. Also an increase in voice hoarseness which is apparently a proto symptom and something I've had for years and years.

Going to try some other anti-parasitics like Ivermectin. I think this bug might be responsible for my remaining symptoms.
Posted 6/20/2016 6:04 AM (GMT 0)
Go project go...
Posted 6/20/2016 10:05 AM (GMT 0)

project said...
Thanks for the paper GH.

The herx from those Protomyxzoa frequencies was pretty rough.

I ran them only for 1 minute total and had a full week of herxing where I was almost totally incapacitated. Almost ran out of food I have in my place by the end of it.
In case anyone else has a different Rife machine without these frequencies in it's database they are: 1583hz, 515hz, and 515-521hz (sweep)

Felt pretty good after the herx subsided. I think my vision has improved. Also my mood seems to be better than before. I did a hill climb bike ride yesterday morning before it got too hot and my energy was good:
303cycling.com/Four-mile-poormans-bike-route-hill-climb

I just started taking Alinia and it's definitely killing the same bug that the proto frequencies hit. Got major flares in my shin bone pain and jaw / sinus / teeth pain. Also an increase in voice hoarseness which is apparently a proto symptom and something I've had for years and years.

Going to try some other anti-parasitics like Ivermectin. I think this bug might be responsible for my remaining symptoms.


Ivermectin helps kill proto, but the biofilms usually keep it from being eliminated. You've got to work on those biofilms too.
Posted 6/20/2016 12:39 PM (GMT 0)

Georgia Hunter said...

Ivermectin helps kill proto, but the biofilms usually keep it from being eliminated. You've got to work on those biofilms too.

I started self-treating with essential oils and systemic enzymes a few years back and so I think I've been slowly clearing out biofilms throughout the process. I've gotten these periodic episodes of local inflammation and massive detoxing where it feels like the dam bursts.

The last time this happened I got a bunch of inflammation around my sinuses and jaw area. Afterwards I realized I could breathe clearly through my nose for the first time in my life really. My nasal congestion has been nonexistent ever since. So this episode in particular led me to believe that these detoxing episodes were related to biofilms breaking up.

I'm also wondering if the Rife frequencies will kill proto even if its within biofilm. The waves could certainly pass through the biofilm. But it's possible being encased in this matrix would change the frequency it resonates at and thus allow it to escape.

The other potential effect is that electrical current from Rife and mechanical vibrations from ultrasound could actually disrupt the biofilm itself. I posted about it here: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3617637

Here's a product that has a good write up on how essential oils target biofilms:
www.supremenutritionproducts.com/BFB/
Posted 6/20/2016 1:23 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the link. How long have you been using the oils? How long before you starting seeing any effects? Interesting stuff.
Posted 6/20/2016 1:57 PM (GMT 0)
How does one know if they have biofilms? Is it an unstated fact that anyone with Lyme disease for more than a few weeks is going to have them present? Is there a way to test for whether you have them by trying something?
Posted 6/20/2016 2:18 PM (GMT 0)
GH - I herxed from my very first topical application of essential oils. But I think I was pretty loaded with infections at that point so ymmv. The first herx that in retrospect seemed to be one of these major localized biofilm collapses was about 6 months after I started weekly application.

Rikky - Some of the labs will do a blood smear to look for them. I haven't done any actual testing but I've just inferred their presence from certain patterns of detoxing in response to anti-biofilm agents. I think if you also have bugs like proto you will have to deal with much much more of it than someone with only Borrelia.

frylabs.com/services-list/biofilm/
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