Lyme & cancer

Oh...dear...sorry to hear Moonflower!

Is the skin cancer isolated to just one spot?

I haven't seen anything on lyme and skin cancer yet.
"They" do say that cancer is due to poor immune function...so I wouldn't be surprised.

Moonflower, are they thinking of Moh's surgery?

I have had skin cancers for years. Never thought about it as being Lyme, but wouldn't be surprised with all the skin issues that come along with it.

I have been able to keep the worst one under control with ACV.

You of course need to make your own decision but do research it first.

I think it would have to be either moh's or excision. With this type of cancer it's hard to know exactly what you're dealing with until the surgery. This tumor begins in the middle layer of skin and tends to spread out in fingers or tentacles, and what's on the surface is just a portion of what needs to be removed.

Denikeef I am sorry you've had to deal with this but glad to hear you have found that acv is helpful. I'll look into it; thanks for sharing.

Girlie,

I am glad it worked out well for your friend. Sometimes it does work well and I have heard that there are times that they don't get it all.

That is why I think it is important to do your own research and get all the facts before making a decision.

Moonflower, I wish you well and hope for you to find the answers you need! If you find out any more on the Lyme-cancer connection please let us know. And please keep us up to date on how it goes for you!

I'm so very sorry, Moonflower. Yes, there can be a connection with Lyme. The literature says it only happens in Europe, but I don't believe that at all.

They mention Lyme on page 5 of this post:
https://www.cancertutor.com › lymedisease

The American Cancer Society also has a pdf on the connection, but I'm having trouble posting it from my tablet. If you would like to see it, but can't find it, let me know and I'll post it tomorrow.

Thanks gang. Georgia Hunter that's very interesting about methionine; I wonder how the mthfr mutation plays in. Off to research that...

A clean Lyme diet free of animal protein and fat is a tough one to manage for me at the moment but I am working hard at getting well and hopefully will have the support to carry it through.

Trav, I read the 1st link you provided and as one who has read thousands of non-biased research papers, that link is as biased and slanted as it gets. I've also read the China Study and it is what it is, an empirical study. It has merit and like many research projects, it has limitations. T Collin Campbell or any of his naysayers didn't go into nitrogen elimination in the body and the effects of pathogens on the urea pathway. I went well beyond the China Study and you have never heard me say that I advocate the vegetarian diet as the best for most people. I only say what the literature and my research leads me to say and that is that too much protein consumption is causing problems. I've been publishing hunting articles for 15 years and I'm on the Pro Staff for many archery companies. It is not my choice to have to tell people to eat less meat.

The amount of protein we need varies per individual. As a former body builder, I am aware of the need for protein and ate 200g a day for quite a long time. I've also eaten a vegetarian diet, a modified Wahls Diet, and a vegetable with low protein diet. My opinion is based on these results combined with a level of biochemical research that is rarely seen in today's world. I can link research literature together and provide a formidable biochemical progression for cancer and form a strong opinion on how to stop the process. The disease states we experience would also benefit from that same procedure and that comes from decreased polyamine production, increased intracellular polyamines, and decreased extracellular polyamines. I can explain it but I haven't found anyone who can understand what I'm saying.

Long story short, do most people need to eat animal protein every day? No, not every day. Would most people benefit from eating less animal protein, yes they would. How much depends on the individual and their activity level. People on high protein diets have too many gram negative nitrogen fixating anaerobes in their GI tract and that has been shown to detrimental to our health. The research is there, I guess I'm the only one who has taken the time to find it.

Oh, well, according to what I've read, one chicken breast is about 200 grams of protein, but I believe most people only eat 1/2 of that.

I completely agree that it's an personal thing for each person, and we each need to do what we feel is best for us at the time. I've changed my diet around so many times, it's not funny, but I have to say I've never gone completely vegetarian, and I don't think I could ever go Vegan - I like cheese and eggs too much. LOL! And just to clarify, this is not a challenge in any way. I'm just saying that I could never do those things most likely.

Considering I'm barely grasping what you are saying (sorry, it's late and I've had an extremely busy week), I do have something you can clarify for me - isn't cancer caused by oxidation issues? Or is it from methylation issues? I know you go deeper than that with your explanations, but that would help me follow.

Traveler said...
isn't cancer caused by oxidation issues? Or is it from methylation issues? I know you go deeper than that with your explanations, but that would help me follow.

Both. I feel that methylation is the single most important pathway in our body. There are many other pathways that are vital, but methylation seems to be more diverse and encompasses so many different components that it effects many of those other pathways.

Cancer is caused by a failure of our immune system to do its job. Pathogens cause our immune system to not do its job. Technically, the polyamines initiate transcription and translation of DNA and cancer is a problem with transcription and translation. Pathogens cause more polyamine production and more methylation and the more you do make, the more chance you have to do it wrong and form cancer.

Here is a quote from a reference and this pretty much says it all.

The polyamines spermidine and spermine, and their precursor putrescine, are required for cell growth and cellular functions. The high levels of tissue polyamines are implicated in carcinogenesis. The major sources of exogenous polyamines are diet and intestinal luminal bacteria in gastrointestinal (GI) tissues.

Some notable quotes from this article:
Surprisingly, dietary putrescine also restored intestinal and colonic spermidine pools in NOS2 knockout mice.
This result suggests that colonic luminal bacterial polyamines can contribute significantly to tissue polyamine levels.

These quotes mean that a diet high in animal protein will increase polyamine levels in three ways:

1)through eating more polyamines
2)through increased gram negative bacteria in our GI tract that assist in the assimilation of protein (Bilophila, etc).
3)through increased acidity (most protein in animal protein is acidic) The more acid, the less metabolism or breakdown of polyamines. They use a feedback loop and break themselves down but the more acid limits their metabolism. It's interesting to me how most of the protein in nuts, seeds, and vegetables are alkaline.