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Posted 7/8/2016 5:13 PM (GMT 0)
Hello community, I'm at another big predicament.

I started herbs (and stayed with) for about 2 months and have a reducion mitigation of most of my symptoms bar a few but recently have found out my lower impacted wisdom tooth is getting worse. This was followed by a pain shortly following in the tooth last sunday that spread to the lower mouth and throat with swelling and intense fever the entire night of. I did what I could to mitigate what I thought it could be (an infection) and went to the dentist barely able to speak the next day in which she booked me for a removal of the tooth 3 weeks away, confirmation of periconitis infection and gave me some amoxicillin to take for it.

I took antibiotics and over the past couple days the pain and swelling went away and has just today finally seemed to dissapear entirely BUT the only catch is I have ended with the same (a lot less but warning) bottom left abdomen stomach pain and blood in my stool (possibly from antibiotics and/or bartonella) that I had severely about a month ago which would initially appear from doxycycline but ended up staying around for a long while and flare randomly.

That resulted in a colonoscopy and gastroscopy that came back all clear except for minor duodenitis and the prebowel cleanse seemed to get away with any stomach pain. Now i'm stuck in confusion and an impasse because on one side I can't afford to let an infection get away and come back in my mouth and endanger me in other parts of my body while my immune system is probably compromised and the other I'm still cautious about the stomach pain and small amount of blood in stool I had this morning.

SO MY QUESTIONS ARE THIS shakehead

-Does anyone here have advice on possible antibacterial ways to cleanse my mouth of any infections if they keep flaring back because seems very dangerous.

-Does anyone have any knowledge of stomach pain//inflammation like this and advice on whether to keep taking antibiotics or not?

-does anyone have any experiences with removal of wisdom teeth and know if this is okay while treatment or if I'm getting myself into a whole load of trouble?

And does any person have any advice on where to go through this generally?, Sorry for the long post but I feel like every time I get hit, it's all at once from multiple sides in a situation I don't have enough information or advice about. Any thoughts or advice would help.
CSB

Post Edited (commandersorebod) : 7/8/2016 12:00:33 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/8/2016 5:54 PM (GMT 0)
First of all, I'm so very sorry. I've been plagued with dental issues all my life due to having these infections the whole time.

Are you taking a high quality probiotic in larger doses? Maybe you could share what you are taking if you are? That way we can help you determine if you are taking enough.

Any antimicrobial - pharma or natural - strong enough to help with dental infections will cause digestive issues for you, most likely. Sorry for being so blunt, but do you have bloody diarrhea? Or are your stools more solid? Did they check you for SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth), Clostridium difficile (C. Diff) and things like that, do you know?

You are in a catch 22 with this, as you can't afford to have infection from your mouth, or to not treat the Lyme and co-infections. What you likely will need to do is to keep your treatments for Lyme and the co-infections at a minimum while you deal with the dental infection. Your body can only handle so much stress, so be sure to do lots and lots of detoxing and rest lots, but carefully work your way through this too.

I'm not sure what you are doing for Lyme and co-infection treatments, so you may want to check to see if any of the things you are using should be stopped before oral surgery due to bleeding risks - just to be careful.
Posted 7/9/2016 12:18 AM (GMT 0)
For me nothing got any better until I addressed my dental infection. My St. Louis Doc wonders if the dental spirochete is flagging some lyme test-surprisingly many don't know that there is such a thing as a dental spirochette.
Based off my experience I would only go to a biological dds-the dentist needs to take out the periodontal ligament and then fill in with PRP-for the best healing.
FYI-TCM would relate lower wisdom tooth space to the small intestine and heart
You also may want to find what the infection is made of-dental dna lab does a good job and is cheapish.
Either way-don't leave a smoldering polymicorbial infection in your jaw-very dangerous

Post Edited (magoo2) : 7/9/2016 11:44:10 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/9/2016 5:00 PM (GMT 0)
Traveler I am taking two of a multiflora probiotic which contains

Lactobacillus acidophilus 5 billion
Lactobacillus rhamnosus 5 billion
Lactobacillus gasseri 100 million
Lactobacillus bulgaricus 100 mil
Biffobacterium lactis 3 bill
Bifidobacterium longum 3 bill
Bifobacterium breve 2 bill
Streptococcus thermophilus 500 million

and another more common probiotic which has acidophilus and lactis within as well (12 billion i think) and colostrum powder.

I know nothing of strains is this near good enough or is something else required/should be swapped in?

I don't have diarrhea at the moment but the last time of severe stomach pain/cramping and stabbling sensations prior to colonoscopy it built to the point of diarrhea like strange colored stools on and off more than not accompanied with blood. At the moment stools solid, I did have a C. Diff test that came back negative in that prior period and I'm not sure about the other.

A real catch 22 I'm fairly nervous due to not knowing which route to push more towards antibiotic or keeping stomach from undeciphered pains and blood and wondering if this whole scenario is fairly safe or not. Plus I've been dealing with intense head pressure and pressure sensations over the past week which my mind has kept convincing me that it could be the pericoronitis infection spread to my brain (although my throat and mouth pain has been pretty much entirely taken away by the antibiotics) and so forth although it's probably just bartonella or some such.
I'm in the process of taking
Knotweed
Cat's Claw
Hawthorne
Houyuttina
Red Root
Garlic (though i know I need to stop that one)
But I think I might make a thread inquiring about herbs and pre surgery, if you think of anything let me know
Posted 7/9/2016 6:40 PM (GMT 0)
S. Boulardii is the best probiotic for helping with Abx associated diarrhea (AAD in the following statement):

"Several systematic reviews on adult and paediatric AAD suggest that probiotic bacteria offer a solution. Data indicate that Lactobacillus strains in particular seem to be effective, however the largest body of evidence is for the yeast S. boulardii."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3105609/

So, you might want to look into a probiotic with that particular strain of probiotic.

I read your other thread, and would agree with the suggestions so far. You only need to stop for a few days, so it's not enough to really interfere with your treatments.

And of course, best of luck with this! Once we have Lyme, simple things become complicated!

Did you have that cramping and off colored stools because of the "prep" they had you drink? Yep, I've had a few of those due to my intestinal issues. It's rough to get through as it sets off days of severe intestinal cramping for me, so now I don't do colonoscopies unless the doc says it's a must.
Posted 7/11/2016 6:21 AM (GMT 0)
Traveler thanks for the info. In fact I had the stomach issues way prior the colonoscopy which is why I had it done. I think it stemming from the doxycycline I was on for near 7 months by itself. I had some minor stomach issues before treatment so I think it's a mix from bartonella in stomach and the antibiotic barrage causing inflammation and stuff does that make sense?

I think the colonoscopy prep in fact cleared all of the bacterial inflammation if that makes sense cause post prep before colonoscopy I wasn't suffering any blood in toilet or violent stomach pain. And post colonoscopy I was back to going toilet a few times a day instead of 18 or so.

But yeah I really don't know what this could be or what to do, my dentist told me I should probably stay on antibiotics a bit longer but there is more streaks of bright red blood on my toilet paper (with no straining or constipation at all) and I know how extreme it got last time so I really don't know what to do plus I don't understand where the bleeding could stem from when it directly correlates with the antibiotics and I had a colonoscopy which showed all clear except for really really minor inflammation of the duodenum. Maybe inflammation and antibiotics hitting can cause slight blood come from the inflammation, I'm not sure skull doesn't seem safe though.

Post Edited (commandersorebod) : 7/11/2016 12:35:02 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/12/2016 4:18 AM (GMT 0)
commandersorebod- I have had terrible wisdom teeth infections and had them pulled-my dds said it was the worse infections he ever saw-by far.
Based off my experience I think you want to find a dds who gives you and antibiotic a day before and a couple weeks after, they also should clean out the ligament ( if not this will become a cavitation), they fill the hole with PRP ( platelet rich plasma) which will promotes good healing and help you form healthy bone, right after or before you should get a vit. C IV and then get another the day after ( Read Dr. Levy Book on Vit C), and do not travel more than a couple miles the first two days after surgery. your body if forming a blood clot-no long drives/
I use a biological dds named Margolis in phoenix but I'm sure there are others. You really want to do this once right-again-its not terrible but wont be a fun day.

One other important part-take no Vit. C before surgery-it can neutralize the numbing medication-trust me on this! It wont kill you but can make the day much more painful.

On the plus side infections in the jaw tend to create symptoms elsewhere in the body-this really might clear up your colon issues-if done right. Let us know-good luck
PS it cleared up my gut issues-two weeks after surgery everything just got better

This can also take a major burden off your immune system and really help the rest of your health-remember the RHOBH Yolanda-her lyme got 70% better after she removed her breast implants-same theory here you immune system can only fight so many fights-good luck

Post Edited (magoo2) : 7/11/2016 10:22:42 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/12/2016 8:22 AM (GMT 0)
Commander ..i had a mild giardia infection and ascaris half people have metazoans....but whrn i took abx it went rampant as coast was clear ..neem ,alina and tinadazole iver artminsin and clove .... Finally cleared it ..have you been to mexico or sw..?. As far as tooth ..my friend did same ..ozone injection helped ,if you dont have $ . There is a cd mouth wash at wally world called closys is chlorine dioxiode( mms) rinse 3x a day with that put some clove essential oils directly on it ..also consider proplis water swish, and manuka honey ... rife or tesla wand has helped some..also pbx need to be in the 100 billion range...slippery elm ,marshmellow root ,restore ,may help to heal guts ...question is it fresh blood or dry black blood ..?
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