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Posted 9/30/2016 5:50 PM (GMT 0)

3HumpedCamel said...
Been reading this post with interest... I have nothing of value to add except that JK tastes fine to me... so far all 4 taste fine, hahahahahahahahaha -- I can't recall which one is supposed to taste like rotten fish, but apparently I'm not that far along yet...

I do use ozone also. I did UBI (blood cleaning with ozone) and now I do ozone saunas and insufflations (yeah, the crap we do). I find it helps with the killing but not the supporting of my body. We are all different though, and each one of us has a very unique burden to try and rebalance... someone else might only need ozone, or perhaps it doesn't affect others. I had great success, so it's part of my daily detox journey.

Thank you-To do the blood cleaning, you can't do THAT at home can you? I am trying to find regimine I can do 100% at home since insurance won't help me here.
Posted 9/30/2016 5:57 PM (GMT 0)
No. That's at a clinic, although if you found a nurse to come, you could do it at home. I am lucky I have a 7 day a week clinic I can go to for blood cleaning. I do the ozone part at home. I spend Sundays at the IV clinic getting blood cleaning. It's helping a lot, and I notice even more since I started the herbs... and I am only on a couple of herbs so far. 3 at a 1/4 to 1/2 dose and 1 at 2 drops.
Posted 9/30/2016 6:20 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for that. Well I have done my own IV many times in Combat but have no license to do ANYTHING as a civilian. I will NEVER do those darned bee sting things Ble keeps teasing me with:-) But IV type stuff doesn't phase me a bit. If you ever come across a link of your pick for a particular Ozone machine and sauna, let me know here or private if it is ever convenient? God, after a week of weather at 100-112 here at the BEACH? Can't believe I can even type the word sauna without blacking out! I mean, I even have a hot tub full of cold water cuz we use it to cool off:-) A pain actually because it is SO hot, the coldest we can get it to is 91 degrees. I know, I know, this winter I'll be *****ing it is too cold....

PS-on the portable sauna issue I see a LOT at Amazon but which one is best and what all else I need to RUN it is still a mystery to me. My luck is I spend $500.00 and then get everything all set up to discover I also needed some little part that costs another 2 or 3 THOUSAND bucks. I've done it before. And more than once (sigh).
Posted 9/30/2016 8:25 PM (GMT 0)

PeteZa said...
1. Protecting endothelial structures (pg 214) - Polygonum cuspidatum (Hu Zhang or Japanese Knotweed)

2. Cytokine remodulation (pg 214) - Salvia miltiorrhiza (Red Sage or pinyin: dānshēn) and Scutellaria baicalensis (Skullcap or Huang Qin)

3. Collagen protection (pg 214) - Great lakes gelatin, Vit C, Selenium, etc - My personal recommendation for collagen is Protein Essentials Hydrolyzed Collagen.

4. Immune remodulation (pg 215) - Unicaria tomentosa (Cat's Claw), Cordyceps mycelium (a mushroom), withania somnifera (ashwagandha), Eleutherococcus senticosus, Glycyrrhiza (licorice)

5. Antispirochetal (pg 215) - Andrographis


Step one: Stop the inflammation brought about by BB, breaking down the collagen throughout the body.
Step two: Support the formation and strength of collagen.
Step three: Design specific herbal interventions for the unique symptom picture of the person.
Step four: Strengthen the immune function.
And only in step five, use herbal anti-spirchetals to control the infection.

On step three: Design specific herbal interventions for the unique symptom picture of the person. -- this is where you address the most horrible symptom you have. If it is racing heart you would try for some heart healthy herbs (Hawthorn, motherwort, etc). If it is lymph, at this time you would address that (try Red Root). This is why Buhner's books are important.

I had great success following Buhner's ways. I did not try and reinvent all the work he had done. I stuck to his ways.

However, I also listened to my body and when something was not agreeable, I put it aside and moved on. I always knew I could come back later and try it again.

I detoxed like my life depended on it.
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The above is why I love Buhner's book versus his website. It is way more complete and explanatory.

I am SO "High" today on day 2 of 100% FULL dose of Stephen B Protocol...I keep forgetting to ask everyone about this. I add 1 heaping teaspoon of Diatomaceous Earth Food Grade 10 Lb
by DiatomaceousEarth from Amazon to each of my 3 doses every day. Anyone know if this is a good or bad thing? I use it to make my own ant poison and thought if it sliced up an ant, MAYBE it will piss off all my squirmy lil buggers in my body too? So am I gonna die or have I done a good thing?
Posted 9/30/2016 8:25 PM (GMT 0)
I went to this place because that is the brand all practitioners I know use... when you call them to ask questions, they are knowledgeable and helpful. You can simply do the ozone generator, oxygen tank and pkg for insufflation (no advertised, you have to ask). You don't need the sauna. I did get the sauna because I like how i feel afterwards... but you can start with some pieces and increase later. We just refilled the oxygen and it cost only $10, so that part is cheap.

Is there someplace you could go to try it a few times first? I know it likely doesn't work for some folks... I knew it helped me after getting UBI, so I went for it, and I am glad I did as I think it's keeping really bad symptoms in check right now. If I have a few busy days and don't have time for it, I definitely feel a difference.

www.ozonegenerator.com/ozone_saunas/ozone_sauna_packages.php
Posted 9/30/2016 9:22 PM (GMT 0)

3HumpedCamel said...
I went to this place because that is the brand all practitioners I know use... when you call them to ask questions, they are knowledgeable and helpful. You can simply do the ozone generator, oxygen tank and pkg for insufflation (no advertised, you have to ask). You don't need the sauna. I did get the sauna because I like how i feel afterwards... but you can start with some pieces and increase later. We just refilled the oxygen and it cost only $10, so that part is cheap.

Is there someplace you could go to try it a few times first? I know it likely doesn't work for some folks... I knew it helped me after getting UBI, so I went for it, and I am glad I did as I think it's keeping really bad symptoms in check right now. If I have a few busy days and don't have time for it, I definitely feel a difference.

www.ozonegenerator.com/ozone_saunas/ozone_sauna_packages.php


Thank you for this. My only history with it is in my hot tub, just replaced the burned out ozonator actually that was about $450.00. But used them for over 18 years in a different connotation. It was for use in a home or office.Had 2 , still have them. One right beside me now and one by my bed. Been running 24/7 all these years. Used it to try to destress when I worked for the Police Department for years and was losing my mind. I try EVERYTHING to relax, mellow out etc. I can't surf anymore so I just try all sorts of crazy things:-)

Don't know anyone close but will look and figure out what I may be able to adapt. AND afford. Amazon looks like they actually have a LOT of possible options to my surprise.
Posted 9/30/2016 10:19 PM (GMT 0)
Mike - Don't put the DE with your herb "drinks"

The DE is a binder. It will bind with everything in your digestive system - not just the toxins, but...food, supplements, antibiotics, including the herbs you are taking.....and flush it all out of your system.


Binder should be taken 2 hours away from everything else. (2 hours before, 2 hours after)
Posted 9/30/2016 10:27 PM (GMT 0)
Oh darn! Then just like my Charcoal then? Wow and I just mixed it with my biggest dose ever plus all my expensive green powder too. My "Vibrant Health - Green Vibrance - Plant-Based Daily Superfood + Probiotics and Digestive Enzymes". Oh man THANK you for telling me. That was an expensive screw up for me....And I was hoping that big ole dose would be the one that cured me too.
Posted 9/30/2016 10:31 PM (GMT 0)
yup, DE and Activated Charcoal are both binders.
Posted 9/30/2016 10:46 PM (GMT 0)
Oh Geez. Trish is gonna KILL me.....
Posted 10/1/2016 12:39 AM (GMT 0)
Found this site which mentions some of the points made in this thread:

http://www.publichealthalert.org/stephen-buhner-lyme-treatment-update.html
Posted 10/1/2016 5:54 AM (GMT 0)
Come on mike here is a video of a very nice lady doing bvt ...your wife could help and she will love to be a part ..bee keeping is zen and fun and when you start walkjng again you can garden some flowers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C27DUagpix4

you are at war with these microbes soldier ! And as far as cost to benifit ratio...nothing comes close ..10c a bee....so fear aside i appeal to your sense of frugality
Posted 10/1/2016 2:12 PM (GMT 0)
Uh, NAH. And I ALREADY took away her whip, handcuffs & leather hood too....
Posted 10/1/2016 2:29 PM (GMT 0)
For those that already have an allergic reaction to bee stings, BVT is not a good idea. No one needs to end up with an anaphylactic reaction.
Posted 10/1/2016 2:58 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah. And when my wife laughed at ME when I got stung a couple years back, SHE had an anaphylactic reaction. MY hands around HER throat:-)
Posted 10/1/2016 3:09 PM (GMT 0)
It used to be (haven't been stung this year - yay!) if I got stung on my hand, down near my fingers, my entire arm would swell until I could no longer move my fingers, hand or elbow, and even my shoulder had restricted movement due to the inflammation - not to mention the pain that comes with that kind of swelling. I had to find ways to pack large amounts of my body in ice, because it happens like that very quickly - within 20 - 30 minutes.

In that respect, no one usually laughs, although some do get freaked out at how fast the swelling advances. And, I have to admit, I would wonder just how far the swelling would go myself.

Oh, and this would happen after a double dose of Benadryl, and something to neutralize the "poison" from the sting. That always got done immediately, but has never stopped the swelling.
Posted 10/1/2016 3:16 PM (GMT 0)
That is sort of like it happened to me as well and was on my right hand and we were on the other side of USMC base Camp Pendleton 40 minutes from home. I think I took about 12 or 15 of those pills too I was so freaked out. But hey,I had a pretty good nap afterward. Not sure if that means I was allergic or just a baby but my throat never closed up. God, Trish kept waking me up yapping Is your throat swelling up is your throat swelling up! Gee, was worse that the sting....
Posted 10/1/2016 4:14 PM (GMT 0)
If you swelled like I did, there's no doubt that it's an fairly serious allergic reaction.
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