question for bvt people

So i understand that most bees in n America are infected with a varroa mite .and mites can carry lyme ...some bees die from this mystery virus" but has any one checked if it is spirochettes? ..anybody on fb page or can talk to bee keepers ..?
Am i just being paranoid or is this possible ...it the venom from infected bee any good ...? My hive may have mites so i would like to know ...maybe i should look at them under microscopy ...this is probably is too specific but had to try thanks hw

Thanks for the bump ...i think i am in double uncharted territory here ...any bvt peoples on fb help me out?

bluelyme said...
So i understand that most bees in n America are infected with a varroa mite .and mites can carry lyme ...some bees die from this mystery virus" but has any one checked if it is spirochettes? ..anybody on fb page or can talk to bee keepers ..?
Am i just being paranoid or is this possible ...it the venom from infected bee any good ...? My hive may have mites so i would like to know ...maybe i should look at them under microscopy ...this is probably is too specific but had to try thanks hw

Hey, Blue! I'm really not sure about whether they can be infected with borrelia (they probably can be, but not in the venom). But, I would think many people's bees would have some mites at least. The big apiary on the east coast claims little or no mites, but who knows. I haven't inspected their bees.

I do occasionally wonder about bacteria or mites, but I haven't had any complications, and haven't read of anyone else having any either. Maybe I'm just naive, but I thought the venom acted against bacteria and parasites. That's why I haven't worried too much about it.

Cool video of the guts under the microscope. I don't notice anything I recognize, bacteria-wise. If there's a virus in there, we would never be able to see it. Too small.

Unless you are getting localized infection at the sting site, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

I know you realize this, but preface my comments with the understanding that I'm not an authority on this subject, and I actually have less experience stinging than you do. I'm four months in. It seems to be helping. But, I'm far from out of the woods, even with my other treatments combined.

Hang in there, bro.

bluelyme said...
Thanks tooty, there seems like rumor of a new paper on bvt may be emerging soon...are you doing amber rose style 3x a week? do you sting extremeties ,head?

A new paper.... really? Is it out online before print? I'd be interested in seeing it! Is it a positive paper or a negative one about the establishment trying to discredit BVT?

I'm doing stings mostly every other day. I'm up to 5 stings per time, but have done as many as 6. I have only been doing them on my lower back, and also in my groin area at the top of the hairline. I tried stinging the sides of my hip recently, but that seemed to make them worse (usually I feel better at the sting sites). No extremities or head at this point!

Supposedly ellie lobel has worked with one of our advocates/scientific champions and its good considering the last study was that vague one done by rocky mountain labs in 1996...nothing to share yet ...

my hoshindo nurse said anywhere with inflammation tends to hurt extra good when you sting ..for me it was low back...those girls are a bit hardcore doing 20+bee a sesh...also doing major points like crown chakra ,perenium and full stingbin cavatations in mouth...!

She said ozone and venom worked as proven by xray....been watching dental vids ..seems they know most about spirochettes

Interesting...

But, the gut contents are not in the stinger, so I still think it should not be a problem.

Do have to wonder if by scraping the stinger out of the skin with a card (like is recommended) could potentially introduce the bacteria from the other end of the stinger into the tiny sting wound. That's how one gets cat scratch fever (ie Bartonella).... when the bacteria (from the flea feces on the cat's claw) gets introduced into the scratch wound. Also is how body lice transmit disease.... when the bacteria from their feces gets scraped into the itchy bite wound when we scratch.

I don't see how people would be getting better from BVT if this was happening though.

bluelyme said...
Thanks again tooty you saved the day and quelled my suspicions....for now i stick to the game plan ... what do you think about mixing bvt with herbs or abx ? The is much to about nothing on lnet about this ...

I just think treatment is so individualized that we can't try to cram ourselves into someone else's treatment boots so to speak. What works for one many times does not work for the next person, etc.

My personal opinion about BVT with ABX or herbs is that it depends on the mix of infections present in each person's body. The homework that I have done looking at the medical literature pertaining to BVT points to the fact that BVT works against many pathogens, but not all, and not equally against those it does.

There is strong evidence about it's antimicrobial action against Bb, fungus, apicomplexans, biofilms, l-forms, and certain gram-positive bacteria. But, it's not equal against each one of those, nor is there any literature that I found about it's antimicrobial activity against Bartonella specifically.... I could only find some literature comparing it's effectiveness between gram-negative vs. gram-positive bacteria in general.

So, one can deduct (from the literature) that it has very little (if any) antimicrobial activity against Bartonella specifically, and probably little activity against gram-negative bacteria in general.

Thus, one can see why there are various responses to BVT- it depends on the mix each one is dealing with. And, that is why I think a person should not discontinue ABX or herbal treatments (while doing BVT) until there is clear indication of a positive response.

If one has Bartonella, it is probably wise to have some type of treatment that covers that because there is only sketchy anecdotal claims in regards to its effectiveness for that particular infection. Hopefully, more scientific research will be done about it.....