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Posted 8/11/2016 9:19 PM (GMT 0)
I was reading Dr B guide and I saw information about Eleuthero. I wonder if any of you used it and also is it p450 herb, can you take it with abx?
Posted 8/12/2016 12:19 AM (GMT 0)
I use it and really have benefitted from it. I take it 3 times daily 3/4 tsp. You won't start at that of course. I take it at 9am 12pm 4pm.

I have had such help with fatigue with using it. I don't do abx. so have never looked into it.
Posted 8/12/2016 2:26 AM (GMT 0)
artermix, I have a really hard time sleeping so I avoid it after 4, just in case. I have taken it with my other herbs at night when I am brain dead and just throw it in the mix without thinking and haven't found it to make a difference however. Right now I am giving it a break (Buhner says to do so, although I don't know why) and I am finding myself fatigued again. I miss my Eleuthero! lol!
Posted 8/12/2016 12:54 PM (GMT 0)
I've been taking Eleutherococcus since August of last year. While I've been fortunate to not deal with fatigue, I take it mostly for immune and adrenal support.

I have not taken herbs and abx at the same time but I do take thyroid meds. I've needed thyroid dose adjustments ever since I started abx for Lyme and it continued throughout my time on herbs until most recently. Since Lyme affects thyroid function, I don't know what to blame and just keep plodding on ;)

A large number of herbs affect the CYP enzymes and it seems Eleuthero is no exception - it's an inducer:

www.ebmconsult.com/content/pages/medications-herbs-cytochrome-p450-cyp-inducers
Posted 8/12/2016 3:09 PM (GMT 0)
artermix

4 wks. into abx is a common time to herx - the average is 3-6 wks. We will never know just what's going on in our bodies.

As an almost 10-yr thyroid patient (Graves') who had to educate herself to get the proper care, I can tell you that it's very common for women to develop hypothyroidism and the risk increases with age.

A struggling thyroid will "sputter" as its function diminishes.

The thyroid is the master regulator of the body....every single cell in the body needs appropriate amounts of thyroid hormone to function properly and that includes the immune system.

I totally agree with your LLMD. Your health depends on it.

I will gladly show you how to interpret your thyroid labs. You'll just need to share the tests you had done, the results and the reference ranges (they vary by lab).
Posted 8/12/2016 3:14 PM (GMT 0)
To anyone interested in a little information about Eleuthero....

Buhner is still recommending Eleuthero and it's listed as a remedy for fatigue on page 232 of his new Lyme book.

In addition, on page 397 of the book in the Materia Medica section, Buhner states "Eleutherococcus, is, in general, completely nontoxic, and the Russians have reported the use of exceptionally large doses for up to twenty years with no adverse reactions".
Posted 8/12/2016 7:54 PM (GMT 0)
cd3764, could you please clarify to me, is this mean that this herb is forbidden to be taken with abx that are p450?
Posted 8/12/2016 10:37 PM (GMT 0)

artermix said...
cd.....Yes I'd love too... I can gather them ... the past year. Maybe is why my fatigue is so bad. Nobody in my family has a history of hypothyroidism ....if it is worth to mention that. But why the thyroid malfunction? Why with age? Would not that be a natural process then? Aside from a thyroid specific illness?

Please start a new thread when you post your thyroid labs, artermix. This way, I won't miss it and we won't keep hijacking this thread ;)

Thyroid malfunction is caused by countless things...blood sugar imbalances, gluten sensitivity, nutrient deficiencies, stress, hormonal imbalances, infections and more.

The Western lifestyle is conducive to dysfunctions in the body, unfortunately.
Posted 8/12/2016 10:39 PM (GMT 0)

blueberrymuffin said...
cd3764, could you please clarify to me, is this mean that this herb is forbidden to be taken with abx that are p450?

It seems a large number of herbs interfere with P450 enzymes and Eleuthero is no exception.

I'd be inclined to ask your pharmacist for advice and you can share "your" research about Eleuthero being a P450 inducer.
Posted 8/13/2016 12:05 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you cd, I will ask, hopefully he will know the answer. Sometimes when I ask about different combinations my pharmacist doesn't seem to be sure. I think I am the only one who asks about these interactions, lol. So I will do my own research as well :)
Posted 8/13/2016 12:09 PM (GMT 0)
blueberrymuffin

I think there's a difference between asking if a particular herb will interfere and asking if a P450 inducer will interfere.

Pharmacists won't necessarily know about herbs but they sure should know about P450 inducers.
Posted 8/13/2016 12:32 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the tip. It is very valuable.
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