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Posted 9/4/2016 6:47 PM (GMT 0)
I know that pulsing isn't something that is recommended with herbs...

BUT - is it worthless to use them if that's the only option?

I am pulsing my abx now M/W/F - 2 abx and Th/F a third.

I stopped the herbs a few months back (except for Hawthorne, Kudzu, Greater Celandine - and pulsing Artemisinin) and pared down my supplements - it's just too much for me to do right now with all the other supplements and abx. There's also a contraindication - doing Cryptolepis with Artemisinin and Rifampin.

I would like to add the herbs back in on T/Th/S/S (JK, Crypto, Sida, Hout)

Is there any point in doing the herbs that way...

***Please don't tell me to stop the abx...****
Posted 9/4/2016 7:05 PM (GMT 0)
While I can't speak to the effectiveness of herbals when pulsed, I don't see anything wrong with doing it that way when that's all you can work in. When I restart my biofilm buster, I will be pulsing it to start off with so that I can tolerate it easier, although I know that it would be much more effective if I took it daily. I just can't handle it daily at this point.

Don't worry about needing to stop the abx in order to use herbs daily - it's your body and your choice. You know what is working for you and we all need a highly individualized treatment protocol.
Posted 9/4/2016 8:33 PM (GMT 0)
I think that the only possible issue is p450 and liver, but if your abx and herbs don't have interactions, then it should not be a problem
Posted 9/4/2016 8:43 PM (GMT 0)

blueberrymuffin said...
I think that the only possible issue is p450 and liver, but if your abx and herbs don't have interactions, then it should not be a problem

that is the interaction I'm talking about. And they do have it...one of the reasons I did stop.

So, I figure I'm reducing the % of each of them in my bloodstream by the time I take the 'conflicting' one.

If I take Rifampin on Monday (it's half=life is something like 2-4 hours) then by Tuesday when I take the Cryptolepis more than half will be out of my system. (It will be at least 14 hours from Rif to Crypto)

Not sure how long crypto stays in the blood-stream...but will be reduced from Tuesday dinner to Wednesday breakfast...

Best I can do.

The Artemisinin - I pulse for 4 days...that's another story...lol
Posted 9/4/2016 9:31 PM (GMT 0)
What is the interaction between Cryptolepis and Artemisinin? It's different from the whole herb, Artemisia, right? I think I read something like that somewhere. I've been taking Artemisia and Cryptolepis for the past two weeks with my other stuff. Hope I'm not wasting my time.
Posted 9/4/2016 9:48 PM (GMT 0)
It can either inhibit or enhance concentrations...depending on the herb/med.



/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytochrome_P450

medicine.iupui.edu/clinpharm/ddis/main-table/


cr3ative girl - I see Artemisinin on the chart...but not Artemisia...

I didn't see Cryptolepis either on there - but someone posted about it. I didn't read the entire chart - maybe they aren't listing the herbs on there...
Artemisinin, Cryptolepis, Rifampin were mentioned (and possibly biaxin?...)


- Just want to mention that Dr. J (LLMD) - I have seen a protocol of his that has Artemisinin and Rifampin together...so not sure how much we should worry about this. Maybe the benefits of taking them together outweighs the downside of the interaction.

I just seem to worry about everything now that I have this dang infection.
Posted 9/4/2016 11:10 PM (GMT 0)
German doctors also give Art and Rif together.

I am also very concerned with possible interactions of drugs, it freaks me out. btw, do you know does Artemisinin interact with Sida acuta?
Posted 9/4/2016 11:26 PM (GMT 0)
BBM - the only herb I wrote down when it was posted on the forum was Cryptolepis...so I'm thinking Sida isn't one.

I wonder if I could find that thread and check.
Posted 9/6/2016 4:52 AM (GMT 0)
I am going to do a bart on days i cant do riffy and think there is something to keeping these infections guessing ...resistance is already there ..these are superbugs ..use all the guns whenever however
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