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Posted 9/11/2016 10:44 PM (GMT 0)
HIGH LYSINE FOODS FOR AMMONIA DIET:

This advice goes against what Dr. J. is recommending in the article link that Heather's Dad posted (Post topic neurotoxin article) Dr. J says no beef, turkey, chicken, pork, soy, nuts, seeds.

Who is correct?

High lysine foods include lean beef, cheese, turkey, chicken, pork, soy, fish, shrimp, shellfish, nuts, seeds, eggs, beans, and lentils.
Posted 9/11/2016 11:01 PM (GMT 0)
Just checked my protein powder - I take it for it's vitamins/minerals/amino acids. One of them is manganese - but it also has L-lysine. Should I stop taking due to the manganese?
Posted 9/12/2016 12:44 AM (GMT 0)
No. At one time it was thought that depriving the bacteria of manganese would help us heal, as Lyme uses manganese instead of iron, most bacteria use iron. So people started removing manganese from the diets, and it didn't help. I'm not sure what the bacteria uses other than manganese when it's being starved of manganese though.

Conflicting information is very, very common in the Lyme world. We have to be very careful what information we follow.
Posted 9/12/2016 12:51 AM (GMT 0)
Trav,

Thank you! As always you save the day. The conflicting information is driving me batty - and so is the actual lyme. Not a winning combo. My question was prompted by the link Heathersdad posted about ammonia/lyme: http://davidjernigan.blogspot.com/2010/12/alkaline-brain-dietary-concerns-in-lyme.html
Posted 9/12/2016 1:24 AM (GMT 0)
One guy even tried high dose claritin... yeah llysine is good to keep ebv cmv
Posted 9/12/2016 1:58 PM (GMT 0)

Huddie said...
Trav,

Thank you! As always you save the day. The conflicting information is driving me batty - and so is the actual lyme. Not a winning combo. My question was prompted by the link Heathersdad posted about ammonia/lyme: http://davidjernigan.blogspot.com/2010/12/alkaline-brain-dietary-concerns-in-lyme.html

The point of this article is for those suffering from high ammonia - which certainly does not include everyone. The other thing to realize is that lysine and arganine use the same pathway in the body, so by taking one, you block the 'passage' of the other. This has a lot to do with why I stay on Lysine.

Lysine also stops/bring into remission herpes viruses and CMV as Bluelyme said.
Posted 9/12/2016 2:02 PM (GMT 0)
Trav,

Thank you. Started lysine today. I didn't know that one would block the other. You really are unbelievably impressive in your knowledge - you most definitely do NOT have lyme brain.

How does one find out if they are high in ammonia? Do you follow the diet he suggests?

What is CMV? Thanks!
Posted 9/12/2016 2:32 PM (GMT 0)
CMV is cytomegalovirus, yet another herpes virus: www.merckmanuals.com/home/infections/viral-infections/cytomegalovirus-cmv-infection

There are tests for ammonia in the body, but most of us can smell it on ourselves. Before I realized it was me, I used to wander the house looking for cat urine! LOL! The smell can get incredibly strong for me, so that it starts to smell more like burning plastic than the ammonia in cat urine.

No, I don't follow the diet recommended in that article.

LOL! Thank you! I can still tell that my brain is compromised, but I'm really happy that I got back as much as I did!! It was scary when I was worse off than most Kindergartners! I couldn't even follow simple patterns when I was at my worst! That was scary!!!
Posted 9/12/2016 2:38 PM (GMT 0)
Trav,

THANK YOU! Ok so far no ammonia smell of any kind on myself (whew). Would love to hear how you healed all this. You should write your story the way Peteza did. I am amazed that you were like a kindergardener (but probably still best in class!) and got so much back. You are my lyme hero!

So you don't subscribe to the non-ammonia diet? I ask because I have been living on nuts, coconut, etc...
Posted 9/12/2016 2:51 PM (GMT 0)
No, I don't subscribe to that kind of a diet. We need all the nutrients we can get to help our bodies function at as high of a level as possible to beat these infections in my view. My diet is actually quite healthy, but is not restricted much, other than soy and MSG -my two food allergies.

My story covers so much time (45 years is a LOT of ground to cover!) and so many details, I'm not sure that I can remember enough to write it out as PeteZa did. But one day I will be posting that I'm done and over with having Lyme - and that day can't get here fast enough! LOL!
Posted 9/12/2016 3:33 PM (GMT 0)
Well that is my wish for you! I would say a speedy recovery but I realize it has been anything but. I admire your determination and stick-to-it-ness. You embody 'never give up' - thank you.
Posted 9/12/2016 3:42 PM (GMT 0)
Ha ha ha! I don't like my alternatives if I don't have the "never give up' attitude!!!

But thank you for your ever so kind words - again!
Posted 9/12/2016 4:58 PM (GMT 0)
Good point -guess the alternative isn't an option. Keep inspiring us!
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