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Posted 9/30/2016 11:43 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry for multiple threads:

My teeth are rotting! It has started since I began the ABX. And I mean like, big black rotting holes, pieces missing and decaying away. It's almost to the point that you can see it when I talk. This has progressed so fast--probably under a month. I have read on this forum about staining, but what could be causing my teeth to straight up decay like this? I emailed my doc and she said it probably wasn't meds and to see a dentist. I am seeing one in a couple weeks but for right now this is totally messed up.
Posted 9/30/2016 11:50 PM (GMT 0)
Try oil pulling, it could help
Posted 9/30/2016 11:51 PM (GMT 0)
I agree with blueberry.
Posted 10/1/2016 1:06 AM (GMT 0)
On it. Thanks. The messed up part is that I'm definitely going to require a lot of dental work. If it keeps up I'm gonna be out of teeth by year's end. Does anyone know which ABX or herb could be causing this? Should I be using oral probiotics or something?
Posted 10/1/2016 2:01 AM (GMT 0)
How long have you been treating?
I doubt if it's the antibiotics.

I'm thinking it's the infections causing it.

Probiotics is a must when treating.

BBM mentioned oil pulling - that is a great idea - it will move some of the bacteria out of your mouth.
Posted 10/1/2016 2:38 AM (GMT 0)
I had this happen, and it was before I was ever diagnosed, so I wasn't in treatment. Because I was sick all the time, and on "normal" doses if abx, it was assumed it was from the abx by the M.D.'s, but the dentists all told me it was too fast for abx.

Here is a good article on Lyme disease and teeth:
www.arizonaadvancedmedicine.com/Articles/2013/June/Lyme-disease-often-resides-in-the-mouth.aspx
Posted 10/1/2016 2:45 AM (GMT 0)
I've been treating two months--just noticed all the decay about a month ago. Seemed to start right around the time I started ABX. I take one Theralac probiotic per day along with yogurts.
Posted 10/1/2016 2:47 AM (GMT 0)
Great article, Traveler...Thanks for sharing.
Posted 10/1/2016 2:49 AM (GMT 0)
The one Theralac probiotic is most likely not enough.

Check to see how many billion it has.
Are you eating 'regular' yogurts?

You should be shooting for 100 billion per day
Posted 10/1/2016 2:50 AM (GMT 0)

Traveler said...
I had this happen, and it was before I was ever diagnosed, so I wasn't in treatment. Because I was sick all the time, and on "normal" doses if abx, it was assumed it was from the abx by the M.D.'s, but the dentists all told me it was too fast for abx.

Here is a good article on Lyme disease and teeth:
www.arizonaadvancedmedicine.com/Articles/2013/June/Lyme-disease-often-resides-in-the-mouth.aspx

Well that's no good, as the decay is happening really aggressively--wish there was a way to treat this. It's hard to figure what to do if they're decaying from the inside out. This article has me scared. :/

Post Edited (dogsblood) : 9/30/2016 8:55:52 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/1/2016 2:52 AM (GMT 0)
I forgot to say, even though I've already lost all my teeth, I still oil pull with tea tree oil in it. I've built up to 10 drops in about 2 tbsp of coconut oil.

If you are using "probiotic yogurts", you are already kind of rinsing your mouth with probiotics - just be sure that the yogurt goes throughout your mouth. Just be sure they aren't sweetened with anything other than stevia or xylitol. Otherwise, your not helping your teeth, and are raising the risk of Candida.
Posted 10/1/2016 2:54 AM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
The one Theralac probiotic is most likely not enough.

Check to see how many billion it has.
Are you eating 'regular' yogurts?

You should be shooting for 100 billion per day

The Theralac has 30 billion. The yogurts--I dunno--they are active cultured. I drink live kefir as well. Unsweetened.
Posted 10/1/2016 3:04 AM (GMT 0)

dogsblood said...

Girlie said...
The one Theralac probiotic is most likely not enough.

Check to see how many billion it has.
Are you eating 'regular' yogurts?

You should be shooting for 100 billion per day

The Theralac has 30 billion. The yogurts--I dunno--they are active cultured. I drink live kefir as well. Unsweetened.

The Kefir is a great addition.
Unless you're drinking a lot of Kefir, you should think about taking two Theralac. You could take one earlier in the day, and one in the evening.
Posted 10/1/2016 5:08 AM (GMT 0)
Spirochetes love the mouth...i have been stinging with venom ,using propolis and oil of oregano with manuka honey ..and some of the pink is returning ...check out the dr norquost video on microscpe thread ...he uses honey andbherbs and gets spirochete to stop..laser also works ...i am trying a germicidal bulb with fiber optic cable ala claude uv machine...
Posted 10/1/2016 2:50 PM (GMT 0)
My pharmacist told me that the sensitivity that I recently feel in teeth can be due to Mino. He told me that Mino affect teeth if taken for a long time. But I think 2 months of abx that you had is not enough to provoke such a reaction.
Posted 10/1/2016 4:53 PM (GMT 0)
I would see a biological dds who checks your entire jaw for infection.
This could be a focal infection and more of a cause of your health than an affect.
Either way a dental infection wears down your body systems-you don't need that now
Posted 10/1/2016 9:27 PM (GMT 0)
The closes biological DDS is 2.5 hrs away, but they may take my insurance. After my meeting with a regular DDS I will look into this and give update with any new info.
Posted 10/1/2016 11:10 PM (GMT 0)
Just my experience but my regular dds missed a major infection that almost killed my and a biological dds found my cavitation and I got remarkably healthier after
Posted 10/2/2016 2:15 AM (GMT 0)

magoo2 said...
Just my experience but my regular dds missed a major infection that almost killed my and a biological dds found my cavitation and I got remarkably healthier after

Was it crazy expensive?
Posted 10/2/2016 2:38 AM (GMT 0)
I wasn't willing to live my life for years that sick- dental was well worth the cost-saved my life
Posted 10/2/2016 11:38 AM (GMT 0)
Antibiotics alter our normal flora in both the GI tract and the mouth. What happens is that unsusceptible bacteria don't die and they proliferate. Bilofila wadsworthia is one of them and it grows in both our GI tract and our mouth. Prevotella is another. Studies have shown when their levels get high, they become pathogenic and cause oral issues. This is in addition to the various Strep strains that grow in the mouth. There are many like Eubacterium aerofaciens, various Clostridium species, and Peptostreptococcus micros that cause issues because the normal flora is altered. Oil pulling may help decrease these bacterial levels until a more normal flora can develop through proper diet and nutrition.
Posted 10/2/2016 3:14 PM (GMT 0)

Georgia Hunter said...
Antibiotics alter our normal flora in both the GI tract and the mouth. What happens is that unsusceptible bacteria don't die and they proliferate. Bilofila wadsworthia is one of them and it grows in both our GI tract and our mouth. Prevotella is another. Studies have shown when their levels get high, they become pathogenic and cause oral issues. This is in addition to the various Strep strains that grow in the mouth. There are many like Eubacterium aerofaciens, various Clostridium species, and Peptostreptococcus micros that cause issues because the normal flora is altered. Oil pulling may help decrease these bacterial levels until a more normal flora can develop through proper diet and nutrition.

Thank you--a severe imbalance of oral flora has been my theory. For a while I was swishing yogurt after brushing, but eventually stopped once my tongue began to look healthy. Do you know anything about oral probiotics? I was thinking of buying some chewable tablets.

I think I will oil pull and rinse with tea tree/other antiseptics and then swish with yogurt for the time being until I can get the damage assessed.
Posted 10/2/2016 4:13 PM (GMT 0)
I also had a raging infection in my jaw from a root canal that 3 dentists missed. I found a biological dentist who discovered the cavitation. Unfortunately, the oral surgeon who did the surgery knew nothing about cavitations. (Neither did I.)
So he cleaned it out, extracted 2 teeth, put me on antibiotics, and sent me on my way. A year later the infection came back worse than ever. It is my worst symptom. So now, I will be traveling 6000 miles next month to see a biological DDS/surgeon this time. (the same one that helped magoo2). Yes, it will be so expensive and it probably won't be a cure all. But it is my last hope. So I definitely agree with magoo2. If you can see a holistic dds, it might make a huge difference for you!!

Also, I agree with the others about the oil pulling. I have to take RX pain meds for the jaw pain, but oil pulling really does help! There is an ozonated coconut oil on Amazon made for oil pulling. It is solid when it's cold so you may have to warm it. But I add tea tree too like others, or myrrh and frankincense oil. The ozone makes it taste a bit odd but I think it helps with some of those funky microbes and definitely with the pain(temporarily.)

Do you have access to any fermented foods or drinks besides yogurt/kefir? Like traditionally fermented pickles, sauerkraut, beet kvass? Many stores carry them now. Or you could make them if you have the energy! ;) There was a study somewhere that I don't remember, but I believe it was 1-2 TBLS of a lacto-fermented food had the same about of beneficial bacteria as a whole bottle of probiotics. I am not against probiotics( I take them) but I think if we can inoculate ourselves with them from the source and all angles we may have a better chance of rebalancing our gut flora.
Posted 10/2/2016 5:56 PM (GMT 0)

TrialbyLyme said...
I also had a raging infection in my jaw from a root canal that 3 dentists missed. I found a biological dentist who discovered the cavitation. Unfortunately, the oral surgeon who did the surgery knew nothing about cavitations. (Neither did I.)
So he cleaned it out, extracted 2 teeth, put me on antibiotics, and sent me on my way. A year later the infection came back worse than ever. It is my worst symptom. So now, I will be traveling 6000 miles next month to see a biological DDS/surgeon this time. (the same one that helped magoo2). Yes, it will be so expensive and it probably won't be a cure all. But it is my last hope. So I definitely agree with magoo2. If you can see a holistic dds, it might make a huge difference for you!!

Also, I agree with the others about the oil pulling. I have to take RX pain meds for the jaw pain, but oil pulling really does help! There is an ozonated coconut oil on Amazon made for oil pulling. It is solid when it's cold so you may have to warm it. But I add tea tree too like others, or myrrh and frankincense oil. The ozone makes it taste a bit odd but I think it helps with some of those funky microbes and definitely with the pain(temporarily.)

Do you have access to any fermented foods or drinks besides yogurt/kefir? Like traditionally fermented pickles, sauerkraut, beet kvass? Many stores carry them now. Or you could make them if you have the energy! ;) There was a study somewhere that I don't remember, but I believe it was 1-2 TBLS of a lacto-fermented food had the same about of beneficial bacteria as a whole bottle of probiotics. I am not against probiotics( I take them) but I think if we can inoculate ourselves with them from the source and all angles we may have a better chance of rebalancing our gut flora.

My girlfriend has access to ozone water, but apparently it's very unstable and must be taken quickly. I assume it's more stable in oil?

Yes, I love to make fermented foods--I am a sauerkraut king. I should definitely be eating it several times a day. I guess because my tongue looked okay and I didn't have diarrhea I didn't think I needed so much probiotic and mouth care.

Good luck with bio dentist trip-hope it gets you what you need.
Posted 10/2/2016 6:19 PM (GMT 0)
Trialbylyme- when do you go? Oct?
If it is the same guy ask about getting vit c down the street for a couple days after.
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