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Posted 10/6/2016 11:42 PM (GMT 0)
You always read that swollen lymph nodes are indicators of Bart, but can Lyme cause this as well? You would think so, as an infection is an infection and nodes will swell as an immune response.

Thanks
Posted 10/6/2016 11:43 PM (GMT 0)
I sure got them.
Posted 10/7/2016 12:26 AM (GMT 0)
Yes, any infection can cause swollen lymph nodes...but Bartonella in particular likes to settle in the nodes.
In Buhner's bart book - the term he uses is 'Lymphadenopathy'
Posted 10/7/2016 12:44 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Girlie. I have several swollen nodes in armpits. I have never had this before in the two years since getting infected. Wondering if it's just a virus or something passing through. I tend to be paranoid and attribute every abnormality to this. Ha.
Posted 10/7/2016 12:49 AM (GMT 0)
I have tested negative for Bart. That's not to say I don't have it but I do have swollen lymph nodes.
Posted 10/7/2016 1:44 AM (GMT 0)

Fronton said...
Thanks Girlie. I have several swollen nodes in armpits. I have never had this before in the two years since getting infected. Wondering if it's just a virus or something passing through. I tend to be paranoid and attribute every abnormality to this. Ha.

How are you feeling lately? Are you taking abx M/W/F two weeks on, one off?

Yah, don't know how you tell if the lymph node swelling is because of an infection in general....or specifically Bart.
Posted 10/7/2016 11:37 AM (GMT 0)
Correct. I am doing pretty well! Thanks for asking. Still have aches and pains mostly in my legs but hoping it resolves sooner rather than later.
Posted 10/7/2016 1:45 PM (GMT 0)
Fronton, you can do lymph massages on your own. It's a little uncomfortable at first, but brings relief. I can post a link to a video if you would like.
Posted 10/7/2016 1:56 PM (GMT 0)
I get lightly swollen limphnodes prior to ovulation (since I have lyme.) What does it mean then??
Whenever I had lymph nodes sore and went to the drs she said they were normal...whatever....

anybody can tell me what it means?
Posted 10/7/2016 2:09 PM (GMT 0)
The lymph nodes are like a first filter for the blood, so they can get "congested" with DNA fragments and other things, especially when we are sick as there are a higher number of things the need to be filtered out of the blood.

The best thing to do is gentle lymph massages, but do be careful, as they have been known to cause a herx, since you are releasing the "bacterial debris" back into the blood so it can go onto be further processed and removed from the body.

Here is a video of how to do a lymph massage, only I believe she says to massages 50 times or some high number - you don't want to do that, at least not at first. Only do it a few times, so that you don't make your lymph nodes sore, and so you don't push so many toxins back into your bloodstream to make you herx. 3 or 4 times at first is generally a good place to start.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QA-wi0d7-Ro
Posted 10/7/2016 2:21 PM (GMT 0)
thanks Traveler ...I will try that.
Posted 10/7/2016 3:01 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks, I will as well.
Posted 10/7/2016 3:50 PM (GMT 0)
when i first went after bart via abx almost a year ago my lymph nodes went wild. it was mostly due to bart living in my lymph nodes. my armpits and behind my knees really swelled up. after a couple of months it went down. today i still feel them at times when they swell a bit from killing off the bartonella but its much better than when i started.

bart tests are a waste of money i've known very few people come back positive who have bart. there are over 60 speceis of bartonella that can effect humans and labs test for 1 sometimes 2 better off playing a scratch game your odds will be better ;)
Posted 10/7/2016 4:27 PM (GMT 0)
ohhh are lymph behind knees?? I was wondering why it was hurting me yesterday behind right knee when off for run.
Posted 10/7/2016 4:35 PM (GMT 0)
Lymph nodes are spread out all over the body. You can find lymph node 'maps' of the body online to see where exactly.
Posted 10/7/2016 5:24 PM (GMT 0)
I had swelling behind both knees...when I googled - I figured they were Baker Cysts. My dr. confirmed.

But, I never thought about swollen lymph nodes.

But, the swollen lymph node I had in the clavicle area was more firm than what I had behind my knees.
So, they probably were Baker Cysts in my case...

The stuff we got going on...hey?
Posted 9/6/2017 12:51 AM (GMT 0)
Girlie or anyone from this thread,

Did your swollen lymph and/or bakers cyst ever go away? I have what I believe to be a swollen "superficial" popliteal lymph behind my knee and a little off to the side.

If it is a "bakers cyst" instead then it's a very small underdeveloped one. So I'm thinking more lymph.

I ramped up my herbs yesterday and wonder if that's what's causing it.

I also wonder if there's any drainage exercise to help make it go away.

P.S. every time I search something on HW, Girlie is always in the thread with something similar. It's almost like our bodies react so similar to these infections.
Posted 9/6/2017 5:40 AM (GMT 0)

dacarte3 said...
Girlie or anyone from this thread,

Did your swollen lymph and/or bakers cyst ever go away? I have what I believe to be a swollen "superficial" popliteal lymph behind my knee and a little off to the side.

If it is a "bakers cyst" instead then it's a very small underdeveloped one. So I'm thinking more lymph.

I ramped up my herbs yesterday and wonder if that's what's causing it.

I also wonder if there's any drainage exercise to help make it go away.

Mine did go away. The Bakers cyst were quite large compared to my swollen Clavicle lymph node. And my Clavicle lymph node was firm to touch... the bakers' cysts behind the knees weren't firm/hard...but they did bother me when I did a squat and compressed that area.
Posted 9/6/2017 5:41 AM (GMT 0)

dacarte3 said...


P.S. every time I search something on HW, Girlie is always in the thread with something similar. It's almost like our bodies react so similar to these infections.


LOL.

I've had a lot of symptoms with these infections...close to 40.
Posted 9/6/2017 4:34 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...

dacarte3 said...
Girlie or anyone from this thread,

Did your swollen lymph and/or bakers cyst ever go away? I have what I believe to be a swollen "superficial" popliteal lymph behind my knee and a little off to the side.

If it is a "bakers cyst" instead then it's a very small underdeveloped one. So I'm thinking more lymph.

I ramped up my herbs yesterday and wonder if that's what's causing it.

I also wonder if there's any drainage exercise to help make it go away.

Mine did go away. The Bakers cyst were quite large compared to my swollen Clavicle lymph node. And my Clavicle lymph node was firm to touch... the bakers' cysts behind the knees weren't firm/hard...but they did bother me when I did a squat and compressed that area.

Did you experience any pain (not bad pain but discomfort) when you had it?
Posted 9/6/2017 4:51 PM (GMT 0)

dacarte3 said...

Girlie said...

dacarte3 said...
Girlie or anyone from this thread,

Did your swollen lymph and/or bakers cyst ever go away? I have what I believe to be a swollen "superficial" popliteal lymph behind my knee and a little off to the side.

If it is a "bakers cyst" instead then it's a very small underdeveloped one. So I'm thinking more lymph.

I ramped up my herbs yesterday and wonder if that's what's causing it.

I also wonder if there's any drainage exercise to help make it go away.

Mine did go away. The Bakers cyst were quite large compared to my swollen Clavicle lymph node. And my Clavicle lymph node was firm to touch... the bakers' cysts behind the knees weren't firm/hard...but they did bother me when I did a squat and compressed that area.

Did you experience any pain (not bad pain but discomfort) when you had it?

Only when I did a squat and my knees were bent fully and compressing it. It was not a hard lump/nodule - more like a swelling behind both knees...you could see it.
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