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Posted 10/31/2016 8:13 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you everyone for your patience in what seems like my endless list of questions!!

My doctor has agreed for me to try Lithium Orotate (5-10 mg) after I did some research and found some of you have had success with it for the psychology stuff that comes with Lyme and cos. My questions:

When is the best time to take it?

Does it make you tired?

Do you get instant relief or does it take a few weeks like an anti-depressant?

Is there anything else I should know before i take it?

Thanks again! You are a fantastic group of people! I have learned a lot from this site.
Posted 11/1/2016 1:10 AM (GMT 0)
The thing with lithium orotate - is the name kinda scares people away. Some might associate it with the phyc RX drug Lithium, which is very high dosed and a different form.

Drs that know about methalation (gene drs) are more familiar with it, since it is one of the natural elements in our methalation pathway "puzzles".

It is a salt type form so like magnessium and calcium, it should not be taken near thyroid meds, prob best at night, if thyroid is administered in the AM.

I took it every other night for some methalation pathway trials. I was a little more sleepy if I took it a while before bed. I dont have enough experience with it to know if it gives instant depression relief.

I read about it first to, and remember reading about people who liked it for depression. I dont recall reading much about it here though and I didnt use it daily for that purpose.

Although I had more anxiety and frustration, during darkest depths of lyme, 5-HTP seemed to shine some light. Was quick and comes in extended release from Natual brand.
Posted 11/1/2016 1:26 AM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
The thing with lithium orotate - is the name kinda scares people away. Some might associate it with the phyc RX drug Lithium, which is very high dosed and a different form.

Drs that know about methalation (gene drs) are more familiar with it, since it is one of the natural elements in our methalation pathway "puzzles".

It is a salt type form so like magnessium and calcium, it should not be taken near thyroid meds, prob best at night, if thyroid is administered in the AM.

I took it every other night for some methalation pathway trials. I was a little more sleepy if I took it a while before bed. I dont have enough experience with it to know if it gives instant depression relief.

I read about it first to, and remember reading about people who liked it for depression. I dont recall reading much about it here though and I didnt use it daily for that purpose.

Although I had more anxiety and frustration, during darkest depths of lyme, 5-HTP seemed to shine some light. Was quick and comes in extended release from Natual brand.

Thanks Astroman, I didn't think about having lots of time between thyroid medicine and the lithium Orotate.

I worked in a group home for chronically mentally ill folks and I remember how serious a drug Lithium Carbonate was. I did a lot of research and could not find much bad said about Lithium Orotate.

I tried 5-HTP and happen to have insomnia and horrible anxiety the next day. Was it due to the 5-HTP? I don't know, but makes me afraid to try it again. I may have had that kind of night and day anyway.
Posted 11/1/2016 2:56 AM (GMT 0)
How much 5-htp did you take? It doesnt stay in you long at least. Many people take it to help sleep.

I dont remember, but I'm guessing a good night sleep is very rare right now for you?

Insomnia can add to day time anxiety, not just exhaustion.

Are you taking magnessium that ends in "ate" at night. The "ate" is very important. 400mg is the standard "middle" dose. Valerian root capsules are also good for sleep.
Posted 11/1/2016 1:06 PM (GMT 0)
I took 50 mg of 5-HTP and was up all night and then I took another 50 the next day and was very anxious all day long.

My doctor has me on a fairly high dose of reactive magnesium. I can't remember how much at the moment and I don't have the bottle with me. When I take it at night, it causes insomnia as well.

Unforutnately, I tried Valerian root several times and it is definitely a no go...I just laid and sweated my guts out all night. I am finding that I really can't take much at night or I definitely can't sleep.

UGH! I hate being difficult. I just seem to have a paraxial effect to everything.

I take (and am currently weaning off) Xanax and it has never done anything for me. It doesn't relax me and it doesn't help me sleep.

Melatonin...nothing!

It just seems like my system is very confused right now.
Posted 11/1/2016 1:38 PM (GMT 0)
Hmm.. 50mg is nothing , you cant combine zanax (ssri) with amino "brain" suppliments.

You need to see what the "reactive? mag really is - read fine print.

Those supplements you mention usuall calm people.

Not to sound like a dr, but some people in deparate times somertimes slightly, well, lost for words, get anxiety over trying sometyhing new (?) (overthinking doom sort of thing).

In the abyss, I hated trying new stuff, but talked myself into it.

Maybee your brain chemistry is just to egdgy now. Try to lower adrenaling with holy baasil?

no spell check here, bad typing sorry.
Posted 11/1/2016 1:39 PM (GMT 0)
maybee your realy toxic with dead stuff now too- makes anziety.

Im no detox pro- others here are.
Posted 11/1/2016 2:11 PM (GMT 0)
Sissy, you are going through withdrawals right now. I don't think adding in anything is a good idea because your body is working so hard to withdraw from the xanax.

If you read up on xanax withdrawal, you will find that there is no easy fix to this withdrawal process. It can only be taken care of with time.

The withdrawals are messing with every system in your body. Your thyroid, adrenals and hormones are going wonky because they are missing that drug xanax.

Hang in there and maybe join a support group for xanax withdrawal. There are many folks out there going through this. And, many who give up and just keep taking the drug.

I know you can do this. Hang in there and prayers coming from my home.
Posted 11/1/2016 2:22 PM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
Hmm.. 50mg is nothing , you cant combine zanax (ssri) with amino "brain" suppliments.

You need to see what the "reactive? mag really is - read fine print.

Those supplements you mention usuall calm people.

Not to sound like a dr, but some people in deparate times somertimes slightly, well, lost for words, get anxiety over trying sometyhing new (?) (overthinking doom sort of thing).

In the abyss, I hated trying new stuff, but talked myself into it.

Maybee your brain chemistry is just to egdgy now. Try to lower adrenaling with holy baasil?

no spell check here, bad typing sorry.

 

I cleared the amino acid with my doctor before I started. Xanax is not an SSRI, it is a anti-anxiety medication.

 

I will look into the Holy Basil. I started on Lithium Orotate and so far so good. I am not anxiety free, but enough that people have no idea that I am anxious and I can still do my job.

Posted 11/1/2016 3:50 PM (GMT 0)

PeteZa said...
Sissy, you are going through withdrawals right now. I don't think adding in anything is a good idea because your body is working so hard to withdraw from the xanax.

If you read up on xanax withdrawal, you will find that there is no easy fix to this withdrawal process. It can only be taken care of with time.

The withdrawals are messing with every system in your body. Your thyroid, adrenals and hormones are going wonky because they are missing that drug xanax.

Hang in there and maybe join a support group for xanax withdrawal. There are many folks out there going through this. And, many who give up and just keep taking the drug.

I know you can do this. Hang in there and prayers coming from my home.

Thanks for the prayers. I have so many things that can be causing the anxiety...the original lyme and co-infections, underactive thyroid, hormone imbalances, Xanax withdrawal, yeast. Yea, this isn't much fun, but I am trying to stay strong and go on with life.

I have looked on the benzo support groups....no think you. They only make me more anxious with their horror stories. I have managed to go from 2.5 mg to .675 on my own, so I will just keep slowly plugging away. I may have made the last cut a little too early. I think i will hold for a bit now.

I see my doctor on Thursday and I assume there are changes coming and we all know that can upset the apple cart pretty quickly.

By far my worse symptom is anxiety! It is much, much better than it use to be, but still hangs around. Maybe it isn't anxiety and just the lyme. My nervous system just feels like it is bouncing around.
Posted 11/2/2016 12:03 AM (GMT 0)

1000Daisies said...
I think it's a very reasonable thing to try. I was really fascinated by it. It is definitely different than the medication (which I think it's confused with). You are right - there isn't much information on it.

We did try it with Kid#1 (and a little with Kid#2), but it didn't help their issues. (They are difficult to treat.) However, I definitely think it's worth investigating and possibly trying.

Do you know if it is suppose to work right away or if it times a little while?
Posted 11/2/2016 1:28 AM (GMT 0)
Holy basil has saved my life and others ....lith orate and mucuna extract helped 2
Posted 11/2/2016 1:48 AM (GMT 0)

bluelyme said...
Holy basil has saved my life and others ....lith orate and mucuna extract helped 2

Did you take it in liquid or pill form? How much do you generally take?
Posted 11/2/2016 4:25 AM (GMT 0)
What is holy basil?
Posted 11/2/2016 4:47 AM (GMT 0)
stress lowering Plant herb.

https://draxe.com/holy-basil-benefits/
Posted 11/2/2016 7:43 AM (GMT 0)

astroman said...

It is a salt type form so like magnessium and calcium, it should not be taken near thyroid meds, prob best at night, if thyroid is administered in the AM.

The drug interaction that occurs between levothyroxine and OTC/vitamin supplements only occurs with divalent cations like magnesium, calcium, iron, copper, etc. Lithium only has one available electron and does not form a covalent bond like the chelation reactions seen with the above elements.

With that being said, Astro's advice is very good because other molecules like histadine, glutamic acid, polysaccharides, etc can chelate with levothyroxine.

It is often advised to take your thyroid meds on an empty stomach 1 hr before or two hours after eating.
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