feel sooo bad

How do you tell between a herx and just regular crap happening?

Last night I woke up at 2:30 and (TMI, sorry!) couldn't stop throwing up as well as the other end. Have a horrendous migraine too and just feel really really bad. I've had a hard time keeping anything down.

Yesterday I forgot to take my herbs in the morning so I combined the full day's dose in one go before bed. 10 drops each of samento and banderol. Then I relaxed with a glass of wine after a very busy weekend/day as my husband has been down and out with vertigo.

So was it a herx by taking too much at once? Did I pick up a stomach bug from church? Or was it just a stupid migraine for no darn good reason? I'm scared to take my herbs today in case. I haven't really had a hard time with them yet, been on them for about two weeks, started with 5 drops of each a day and I increased it to 10 a few days ago.

Girlie said...
It is sometimes difficult to tell.

But, taking the full day's dose all at once could have triggered a herx...

How are you feeling now?

Quite bad still. My head is hurting so bad and I'm very nauseous. I've slathered my head in peppermint oil and have an ice pack strapped to my skull. So far pop is the only thing I've really been able to sip.

Girlie said...
Did you skip today's herbs? It might be something you should consider...until you get back to your 'normal'

Definitely. I can't even down water right now. Ugh. But I ordered some burbur and pinella (which I really should have had on hand before I started treatment). In the future, I can use those to treat potentional herxes... If my episode was a herx, would it be confirmed by those herbs helping me to feel better? Or is it harder to pinpoint? I'm guessing the latter. :P

First of all - I'm soooo sorry!!! That's miserable!

I do believe it was likely a combination of everything that made it so hard on you.

The double dose all at once (and combined with more alcohol) certainly had a massive impact on your infections - so I would encourage you to use some binders right now, and as Girlie said, skip a dose or two, or three.... You need to get the herxing under control before doing too much. If it continues for more than another day or two, you should definitely see your doc as dehydration will bring along even more issues - and that's a real concern with it coming out of both ends like that.

Do you think you could stomach some ginger tea? It never sounded good to me when I thought of it, but it has almost always worked for me. You can drink it warm or cool as it will still work.

I'm surprised no one but Traveler commented on the wine.

I hate to tell you, because I used to enjoy a glass or two with dinner. Can't drink it anymore, and really shouldn't drink any alcohol, but I have a real problem with feeling like utter death drinking even a few ounces of wine.

I don't understand it from the perspective of being infected for 3 decades, that all of the sudden for the past year, it makes me sick, but it does. I don't know what has changed unless I still have residual abx in my system. Flagyl in particular. Surely not after 5 months?

The rest are right, it's a combo thing/urge you to consider Girlie and Traveler's suggestions.

I just had an additional thought. Did you eat out that day? It sounds like me and my friend's experience with food poisoning from a salad bar. I was exactly the way you describe. Horrid experience.

Thanks for the advice. I definitely think the wine didn't help. Ugh, I've found myself getting more sensitive to it and actually haven't had any in ages. It just sounded so nice after a really stressful few days. Ha, jokes on me.
I tend to vomit when I get a doozy of a migraine and it's quite easy for me to get dehydrated so in cases like this, if I can keep down a little pop, I will have it. Something about the carbonation and caffeine helps with the queasiness and the pain.
It wasn't food poisoning, I took the kids to my mom's for trick or treating with grandpa and she made a big pot of chicken soup from scratch.
I figured I could double up on the herbs because I felt like they were doing nothing... but now I know... never. again.

When i used andrographis ...my gut had the chance to let giardia and ascaris flourish....if you eat iceberg lettuce there is a good chance you have parasites ..just saying it sounds like food contamination...i have drank bottles of samento and banderal and it was like water which is better than wine ..thank jeebus

I'm so sorry. It's only been a couple of days though, and although I FULLY understand every single hour of nausea feels like forever sometimes, it may take some time for this to calm down. The only way I know to speed up the progress - if it's a herx from double dosing- is to use binders.

I have only used activated charcoal, but have used it off and on for several years now. You can take up to 3 doses, 3 times a day, but watch out for constipation!! Be sure to drink at least 8 ounces of water when you take a binder, and be sure to stay well hydrated throughout the day. Constipation will keep those toxins in the body longer , and will allow some of those toxins to be reabsorbed.

If things continue to change though, you may need to see a doctor. We don't want you taking unnecessary chances.