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Posted 11/3/2016 11:17 PM (GMT 0)
Hi guys. So i inxreased by japan knotweed to one more drop to two drops and depressed and panicky today and my stomach feels like its being destroyed. 😭😭😭 why cant i handle anything? Couldnt handle 100mgs of rifampin or five houtruynia drops 😭😭😭😭😭
Posted 11/3/2016 11:22 PM (GMT 0)
Did you take JK with food? If you're stomach isn't reacting well to it...maybe sandwich it between food.
But, that won't help the panic and depression...

You are detoxing - multiple methods daily?


How long were you on the one drop? Was it once daily?
Posted 11/4/2016 12:00 AM (GMT 0)
I have to wonder if something else is factoring in for the depression and panic, and those two emotions combined would affect your stomach. There may be some excess acid at play there. If either lemon water or Braggs acv with the mother doesn't help, you might want to pull it out with a binder.
If you're two hours past taking anything, and have a two hour clearance ahead of you, take some kind of binder if you have it, like charcoal tablets.
Posted 11/4/2016 3:56 AM (GMT 0)
Jk is a vasodialtor ..maybe your adrenals are being set off..jenny this happened even if my bladder got full...
bart is known to cause gastro stuff...we got to ask did your twin have only one mthfr and you have 2 ?..did you have infection longer? So you have a few treatment options left ...rife ..bvt ?

i love the title of your post btw. Hodkkfjfjsbdjsmsmscrap
Posted 11/4/2016 7:05 AM (GMT 0)
I was on one drop daily for like a week. Increased it to two drops and i feel like hell i want to scream.

Yeah im taking burbur, pinella, lemon water, detox pills for my liver, liposomal glutathione, dry skin brushing before showers. Any kind of epsom salt makes me sick.

I feel extremely depressed, anxious, panicky, burning and tingling and numbness sensations, headache, head swollen feeling, naseous, stomach pain and churning.

What do you mean something else factoeing in foe the anx and depression Julymorning?

We dont know how many my twin had of mthfr. Llmd just gave her supplement without testing her for it. 5mthf from thorne. Just one pill a day. Havent taken it yet we ran out a week ago no way to order some yet. It didnt really help anyways maybe dose too small? I dont know i just want to know why my body cant tolerate kill off of anything at all. I cant make progress cause i cant kill anything off without the herxing getting unberable on tiny doses. I dont know how im supposed to get better lile this.

I dont know what treafment options i do and dont have left bluelyme.
Posted 11/4/2016 2:28 PM (GMT 0)
When a person starts correcting the MTHFR for better detoxing, you don't really "feel" any different, other than it makes it easier to detox and keep your symptoms under control - unless you are low in B-12 or folate. But I never felt any different, it just made it easier for me to detox.

And I hate to say this, but you still are not doing "a lot" for detoxing for those with Lyme and company.
Posted 11/4/2016 2:33 PM (GMT 0)
Oh no traveler. 😭😭😭😭 ok is there like a certain number like lets say eight things that i should do based off of the detox list there is in here? 😭
Posted 11/4/2016 2:38 PM (GMT 0)
As with treatments, detoxing is very individual, but here is what I have figured out for myself and what I do. I have not had any of the gene mutation testing done, although I do seem to have the same kind of issues as those that do - so I figured it was best for me to assume that I did and work to get my body to detox much better.

I use a foot soak (I know you can use the same one, but you can use something similar likely),
dry skin brushing,
Lymph massages as needed,
making sure my bowels moved at least once a day (sorry if it's TMI!)
pushing myself to drink at least 64 ounces of lemon water each and every day,
liver/gall bladder flushes (all natural) as needed,
Apple cider vinegar,
Quercetin,
Alpha Lipoic Acid,
oil pulling with coconut oil and a few drops of tea tree oil,
using Yogi brand detox tea,
taking activated charcoal (when necessary),
and keeping the amount of stress in my life at a bare minimum.

And, I'm pretty sure I'm not done adding things to my list.

I would encourage you to watch for those threads where someone is having trouble with detoxing and read through them carefully. You will find others that are struggling with detoxing as well and may very well get some ideas of other detox things you can do to help you. When you try something new, please remember to go slow and careful.
Posted 11/4/2016 3:46 PM (GMT 0)
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3602759

Lots of examples of how many things we do when we are detoxing.

We did not do them all on the first day. We added in an item at a time.
Posted 11/4/2016 4:21 PM (GMT 0)
I just added Activated Charcoal and it saved me from such a bad herx! It has made such a difference.
Posted 11/4/2016 4:29 PM (GMT 0)
YAY, Pmm!! Congratulations on finding something that works for you!
Posted 11/4/2016 6:06 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you guys! Im going to put a list up on my fridge!!! Any ideas on what else besides mthfr can affect detox? Is there a way for the detox pathways to be clogged or something? So that i can unclog them is that possible?
Someone told me apple cider vinegar can cause herxing on its own?
Im thinking of getting an infrared sauna will that make me sick though if baths do?

Thanks guys sorry for the dumb questions :/
Posted 11/4/2016 6:17 PM (GMT 0)
First of all, there are NO dumb questions!!! If you don't know, PLEASE ask!

No, just because the baths make you herx or sick, then the sauna might be a better option for you - especially if the reason the baths make you sick is because of the Epsom salts (is that right? Sorry, I can't remember if you are one that has that happen).

Detoxing can be affected by many things - gene mutations, yeast/mold exposure and multiple tick-borne infections among other things.
Posted 11/4/2016 10:07 PM (GMT 0)
Ok thank you! I will look into if mold and mthfr are affecting my pathways.

And yes traveler the epsom salts make me sick. I can take warm showers just fine so is the salts not sure why. Thank you!
Posted 11/4/2016 10:53 PM (GMT 0)
Baths and even showers made me feel dizzy, lightheaded and ill. For me it was the water temperature. I had to take cool showers or I felt like the witch on the Wizard of Oz that was melting. Hot water zapped me something horrible.
Posted 11/4/2016 11:26 PM (GMT 0)
Oh no peteza so did you end up having to do sauna or something else instead?
Posted 11/4/2016 11:32 PM (GMT 0)
Have you tried Alka seltzer gold to help alkaline your body? You may be able to better tolerate your herbs.
Posted 11/4/2016 11:53 PM (GMT 0)

jennydancingfish said...
Oh no peteza so did you end up having to do sauna or something else instead?

I dry brushed and took a cool shower. I am just now able to take a warm shower because I got so used to cool ones while I was treating my lyme.

We all find weird idiosyncrasies when we have lyme.
Posted 11/5/2016 12:31 AM (GMT 0)
I have krimpet but it barely helps
Posted 11/5/2016 1:20 AM (GMT 0)
Jenny,

I felt terrible when I took JK with just one drop. I switched to Stephania which I was told was a good alternative. I have not issue whatsoever. I love it and it has really helped me. It is very hard for me to take high dosage of herbs. I'm just sensitive. I have eaten a lyme diet since before lyme, I detoxed before lyme (alkaline diet, lemon water, green tea, magnesium, juicing, milk thistle, probiotics, prebiotics, ACV, methyl B-12/folate) but I just can't take certain things. Activated charcoal is my favorite as is Alka Seltzer Gold.

Did you have the detox gene test done? Forget what it is called LLMD said I detox 75% but not full 100%. Maybe you have that? Try Stephania root.

Anxiety is the worst. Do you meditate? Take some magnesium and do a meditation tape. Also prayer really works. Essential oils help too. Feel better.
Posted 11/5/2016 1:39 AM (GMT 0)

jennydancingfish said...
I was on one drop daily for like a week. Increased it to two drops and i feel like hell i want to scream.

Yeah im taking burbur, pinella, lemon water, detox pills for my liver, liposomal glutathione, dry skin brushing before showers. Any kind of epsom salt makes me sick.

I feel extremely depressed, anxious, panicky, burning and tingling and numbness sensations, headache, head swollen feeling, naseous, stomach pain and churning.

What do you mean something else factoeing in foe the anx and depression Julymorning?

We dont know how many my twin had of mthfr. Llmd just gave her supplement without testing her for it. 5mthf from thorne. Just one pill a day. Havent taken it yet we ran out a week ago no way to order some yet. It didnt really help anyways maybe dose too small? I dont know i just want to know why my body cant tolerate kill off of anything at all. I cant make progress cause i cant kill anything off without the herxing getting unberable on tiny doses. I dont know how im supposed to get better lile this.

I dont know what treafment options i do and dont have left bluelyme.

I meant that maybe it's not a herx or reaction to the actual JK, that's causing all your symptoms like the depression, anxiety, stomach pain, but your feelings about being sick, and worry about your treatment, etc. might be affecting you too.

I had such a terrible time when I started the knotweed, just one drop up to two drops, I had to stop altogether. Even had to stop the Milk Thistle which shouldn't have been causing a herx at all, I wasn't up to full dosage on that yet either. Very shortly, like a matter of days, my adrenals were just barely hanging on.

Turns out that the stress I was under at the time made things so much worse for me. Now, with things more under control, I've started the herbs again and am doing fine with them.

We're all having such varied experiences on these treatments. Similar, but not exactly the same. I'm always thinking of things from a less obvious point of view.
Posted 11/5/2016 1:18 PM (GMT 0)
July,

You are very wise that may be a big part of this for JDF. I was doing ok and once I got my son's diagnosis, which happened the same week a kid started bullying him, my symptoms doubled. Meditate if you can JDF. Hope today is better.
Posted 11/5/2016 6:05 PM (GMT 0)

jennydancingfish said...
Ok thank you! I will look into if mold and mthfr are affecting my pathways.

And yes traveler the epsom salts make me sick. I can take warm showers just fine so is the salts not sure why. Thank you!

Not being able to tolerate the Epsom salt soaks no matter how short of a time, or the water temp can be an indicator of a body not handling sulfur well. This can be due to a sulfur allergy or a gene mutation that won't allow you to detox sulfur well.
Posted 11/5/2016 9:35 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks traveler! I didnt know that its prob a gene thing in me then im sure mine are messed up 😂 maybe soon i can get an infrared sauna :) i feel better the past two days after dropping back to one drop of japa knot :(
Thanks huddie and july its hard to tell when stress comes in as i have a lot of trauma that can get triggered:/
Posted 11/5/2016 9:37 PM (GMT 0)

jennydancingfish said...
I have krimpet but it barely helps

So sorry to hear that. Yes you probably really need to do the gene testing.
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