HORRENDOUS CHILLS AND SHIVERING PLEASE HELP

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Hi Nikincole.

Thanks niki sur you no none of lyme syptos are no joy Just battle on .Wish you well on your healing journey. I have a wet floor room And shower no bath as I am in a wheelchair I do have tried soaking feet in Espsin salts no joy I'm thinking maybe this is a babesia syptom. Iv been taking magnesium pills anyway.The chills are every day for 10 years Even in summer I'm heavy laiden in cloths.Thanks for answering.Good luck

elaine

hi Pete
How are you doing ?.

Awh that's sweet and nice. thanks.for your kindness I have missed all of you also Its hard to keep trying when seeing no syptom improve.Also I cant buy from all of the buhner preferred sellers Some of them I do As the Customs and vat Are to much Trying figure out what ones must be from his sellers list and which ones From uk sellers Like napiers in Glasgow Or Bristol botanicals England I'm fed up with tinctures Trying take pill form in all core

Have you tried asc 200 silver?
love Elaine xx

Good to hear from you Elaine.


I have shivering...but I get them even when I'm not cold

I attribute mine to Bartonella - making a mess of my nervous system.

Hi Elaine,
I'm so sorry that you are suffering with these symptoms so much! For me, when I needed to be propped up to sleep and had the chills like that, it was from Babesia (Lyme and Bart had already healed is how I know) during my first treatment.

Are you treating Babesia at all yet? If not, it sounds like 'there may be no time like the present'.

This is basically what Buhner has to say for treating Babesia:
"Stephen generally recommends the use of a Sida acuta, Alchornea cordifolia, and Cryptolepis sanguinolenta blend for the treatment of babesia these days: ¼-1/2 tsp 3x daily. You could as well do ¼ tsp of each of these three tinctures 3x daily. These three tinctures can be purchased from woodlandessence.com. You can also use just one of those herbs; his first choice is Sida acuta, second is Cryptolepis sanguinolenta. Stephen no longer recommends artemisinin or artemisia for babesia infections. It can work, but whatever you are treating, Sida acuta will work better, especially for babesia or bartonella."

You would do better to get his book though, as he includes a lot more detail about treatment options and help.

Here's a link from Amazon.eu - the European version of Amazon for Buhner's book on Babesia, Anaplasma and Ehrlichia:
/goo.gl/tUWQuQ

Boneset is one of the herbs he talks about in this book. Let's see if I can be of help here.

Boneset "is an herb that can create a herx, so you will have to start off with very low doses and be very watchful with. It's antiviral, immunostimulant, diaphorectic (induces perspiration), febrifuge (fever reducing), mucous membrane tonic (soothing to mucous membranes), smooth muscle relaxant, anti-inflammatory, cytotoxic, mild emetic(may cause vomiting), peripheral circulatory stimulant, gastric bitter, analgesic and mildly antibacterial. It does have some decent actions against protozoa, especially the malarial parasite; it is something of a midlevel antimalarial her in it's actions. This makes it a fairly nice adjuct for babesiosis, especially when it's other actions are taken into consideration."
** Parenthesis and those words are my addition, not Buhner's.

Preparation and dosage:
"The herb is bitter, and a tea made from it is about as much fun to drink as a tea made from earwax. Honey helps considerably... and if you have the kind of flu where you can't taste anything. Generally, the herb is taken as tea or tincture but few take the tincture directly on the tongue. Too bitter."

Tea:
"Cold infusion: 1 ounce of herb in 1 quart of boiling water, let steep overnight, strain and drink throughout the day. The cold infusion is better for the mucous membrane system and as a liver tonic. If you want to help fevers, you need to take the tea hot.

Hot infusion: 1 tsp herb in 8 ounces of hot water, steep 15 minutes. Drink 4 - 6 ounces up to 4 times a day. Boneset is only diaphoretic (increasing perspiration) when hot and should be sonsumed hot for active infections or for recurring chills and fevers."

Side Effects and contraindications:
" Boneset is an emetic (promotes vomiting) when taken in large doses, so an early sing that you may be taking too much is nausea. Generally, the cooler the tea the less nausea. The herb may be contraindicated in pregnancy but no one really seems to know why. Soemtimes some people have an allergic reaction to plants in this family - chamomile, feverfew, ragwort, tansy - so if you are allergic to those, careful with this one."

No, I have not used this, I have copied what's above from Buhner's book.

Cowden's does not work for everyone. I'm glad to see that you have chosen to try out Buhner's, as it seems to help a lot larger number of people.

Red stretch mark looking things (or white, pink or even purple) can be from Bartonella - especially if they are in places that stretch marks don't usually appear. Watch to see if they return - if they do, it's a fairly sure thing that you have Bartonella as well then.

Yes, Houttuynia does treat Bartonella.

I really don't have an opinion on those types of saunas. I've not looked into them to learn enough.

Yes, you still need a doctor to sign the Igenex forms, but it can be any kind of doctor - Chiropractor, Functional medicine doctor, Herbalist, etc.

It certainly sounds like Babesia is at the forefront! If it was me, I'd be starting to introduce Babesia treatments - slowly, but right away.

Always watch to see what kind of a response you have to each herb, and don't forget to keep detoxing really well!

Hi traveller.
Wow your brill.thanks for the time you took givng me this help.Il try the tea cooler to see if nausea And low doze Then if not try it hot For the chills. I feel nausea a lot on buhners.So if I'm like that first thing in morning .I cant take buhner till around 11am, Until able to eat breaky.So the time I start my first round of pills is not same time each day.
I take them with food Did you do the keytogenic diet/paleo?Is it vital to do this? As around mid afternoon I take funny turns unsure of the cause However I'm not diabetic that's ruled out if iv not had enough carbs.Im not a bit meat eaterDo you no if carbs are allowed in this diet at all?
.How are you doing?I think your wonderfull .helping others.Thanks for answering
love Elaine xx

Hi traveller

Thanks I looked However Don't want to spend £50 on 1 herb As if taking 9 a day Id need 2 bottles And be to expensive at £110 a month When using 12 herbs then adding syptoms herbs in Have a set amount to spend on herbs
maybe il just buy any old cheep make on that on As its only for mood ect? ashwagandha needs 2 bottles also so use cheap uk make as its a mood tgingly also
As use brand makes on bunher list for main ones

x elaine

The nausea may be a symptom of your infections, try drinking fresh ginger tea. You can drink it 30 minutes before any meal to help with digestion, or any time you have nausea. It's an amazing herb! I tried all kinds of anti-nausea meds and none of them controlled my nausea like fresh ginger tea 3 times a day for 3 weeks.

Your nervous system is likely being attacked by Lyme and maybe Bartonella too and that's why you are experiencing so many nervous system issues like nausea and light sensitivity.

No, I did/do not follow the Paleo/keto diet. I just make sure to eat as healthy as I can with low carbs, good protein, lots of vegetables, and be sure to stay very hydrated. How much carbs any one person can tolerate is very individual, so you will have to just watch and see how you do with what you eat. There are lots of protein options even for those that don't eat meat, just be sure that they are healthy options.

Eat small regular meals/snack during the day - any where from 4 - 8 times a day if you need to. Lyme can cause insulin resistance, which is not diabetes, but similar. Or your adrenals may be struggling, as that can cause some similar symptoms.

I usually encourage people to buy herbs in bulk, but I remember your situation, so I would say to just give the Planetary Herbs brand a try. I think they are a decent brand.

I make my ginger tea with fresh grated root ginger. But, when I am out it have bags of ginger tea.

When I did my herbs for lyme I put ALL my tinctures in a glass - Japanese Knotweed, Astragalus, Motherwort, Hawthorn, Red Root, Red Sage, Skullcap, Gou Teng, Houttunyia, Cryptolepis, Andrographis then I added in a splash of water and chugged it all down. This was after I had slowly moved up in dosage with all the herbs.

I then did my Beyond Balance herbs. I did MCBB1 in a glass with a splash of water until I move up to MCBB2 and did it with a splash of water.

And then topped it all off with my Beyond Balance Tox Ease with a splash of water.

I do not know the effect of doing ginger with herbs. I have idea on the effect of ginger with the absorption of the herbs in your stomach. My totally personal opinion was I wanted those herbs to be absorbed and I generally took mine before food or drink. I waited at least half an hour before I ate or drank tea.

I based this solely on how fast asparagus can run through my body and make my urine smell. I know that is a hilarious way to judge one's body. LOL

Hi traveller.

thanks for the tips I take herbs with food as I'm gagging if I don't my stomack and throat go on fire if before food
I have numbness in my throat and all muscle groups and hands up spine back pf head I have get chocking fits now and then daily even withpt food in my mouth or anything Was told by neuro and gastri dr this is Me syptom
so if herbs taken before foods it dries me out and brings on numbess I start chocking
I read dr buhner ststes with food is okay
il try ginger and then try hers before food see if I'm able thanks hun xx
elaine

Do you feel like you have extra mucous in your throat that is causing this? I do from time to time and have found that guaifenesin (ingredient in Mucinex) helps me the most when that starts up. I have to stay on it every four hours for a couple of weeks sometimes, but it's better than gagging so much!