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Posted 11/18/2016 4:32 AM (GMT 0)
If you have ever noticed black specks on your skin and did not understand why it could be a sign you have morgellons. Dr. Savely who recently published her book on Morgellons talks about the black specks. She confirmed that black specks are specific to morgellons.

Since 70% of people do not get the sores associated with morgellons, the only way to really know is to look for the filaments that appear on or under the skin. You are most likely to find them around the nails. You need to use a 60x micro microscope with a light. They appear under the nail or close to the edge of the nail. As far as I know they are mainly black wirey looking or black flecks. They are not straight like a hair. They can be colored too.

I am sure there must be a lot of people thinking they have chronic fatigue syndrome or parasites or just lyme etc whose real problem is morgellons and they do not know this.

Some people may have noticed getting a tiny scratch when they did not scratch themselves. That can be a sign of morgellons. Or they may have a heavy sinus problem.
I think every doctor should have one of these little microscopes that only cost about $10 and anytime a patient describes weird symptoms that cannot be explained after searching unsuccessfully for an answer, a quick check with a mini microscope should be done just to make sure they do not have morgellons.
Posted 11/18/2016 4:40 AM (GMT 0)
Quick check of what, just sticking a finger under it?

I can afford $10 for a microscope, and I'd like to know what all my body is been made home to.
Posted 11/18/2016 5:13 AM (GMT 0)
their finger nails, particularly the ends of them where the filaments tend to be - the underside end and looking down on the end of the nail.
Most of the people on this board who have morgellons do not have a clue because you cannot see the filaments without this 60x mini microscope.
Posted 11/18/2016 5:23 AM (GMT 0)
Wow. Thanks!

I know what I want for Christmas. I used to have a microscope. The nice heavy metal kind that were made for youngsters back in the late 50's. I would still be as thrilled looking at the microscopic world!
Maybe I can find a better one that is used, for sale on Amazon, that is strong enough to see spirchetes.
Posted 11/18/2016 5:29 AM (GMT 0)
The more expensive regular microscopes are not as good as the small portable tiny only 60x mini microscopes. you can get them really cheap on amazon/ebay $10 is the norm. They are not expensive. Most of them seem to come from Asia which means they tend to take a longer time to deliver.
Posted 11/18/2016 5:29 AM (GMT 0)
So what is the treatment if you have Morgellons?

Is it taken care of with lyme and co-infections treatment?
Posted 11/18/2016 1:35 PM (GMT 0)
Morgellon's is now considered an "extension" of Lyme and company now.

This is far from something to get panicky about though, there are very few true Morgellon's patients that aren't asking questions about the filaments coming out of their skin.

This is the most accurate site I've found so far: www.thecehf.org/about.html

Here are some pictures of the filaments, but please be aware, some of these pictures are disturbing, so if you are feeling emotional or sensitive today, please do not view these as it also shows the sores it can leave:

www.thecehf.org/morgellons-disease-pictures-images.html

I have a friend with Morgellon's, and I've seen the sores it's left on them, and the havoc it has created in their lives. It's actually quite painful for most, not to mention the sores and scarring that occur, which is why I said it's not something that people wouldn't be asking a lot of questions about.
Posted 11/18/2016 4:26 PM (GMT 0)
Dr. Savely says 70% do not have sores
I suspect that of that 70% the majority do not see the filaments without a small microscope.
So how would they know they have it?
Some have felt biting and thought they had parasites. And many havent
The morgellons works together with the lyme, fungus, parasites to cause the problem.

The treatment is various antibitiotics along with anthihelmetics
she recommends some beyond balance products too
I found the new book Morgellons by dr. ginger savely is good.
Anyway, dont panic but dont ignore looking in the mini microscope. the little microscopes the jewelers use.
Anyway you can treat so that you dont have a problem and can live a normal life.
Posted 11/18/2016 4:34 PM (GMT 0)
A biting feeling can also be from nervous system involvement. I would say that it would be very hard to tell which it was coming from.

At any rate, I agree with you, people don't need to panic thinking that they have this as well. Only a very small percentage of Lyme patients have this issue - but to be aware that it is a thing, and that it is an "extension" of Lyme.
Posted 11/19/2016 2:04 AM (GMT 0)
The specs go away when clear out root canals and dental cavitations-trust me I know.
Posted 11/19/2016 2:18 AM (GMT 0)
Traveler is correct.

Morgellons is an "extension" of lyme or "additional" symptoms of lyme. Morgellons is not a "stand-alone" disease. Morgellons are symptoms not a independent root cause/disease.

I've actually research a ton about this (with Traveler) offline.

Many lymies have seen the black specks or "grains of sands" sometime during the their lyme journey. Morgellons symptoms appear when there's a systemic fungal infection (caused by lyme or long-term antibiotics or both).

I know because I've dealt with it.

After multiple months of healing my gut and taking both herbal and prescription anti-fungals the black specks and grains of sands (aka morgellon symptoms) stopped.

Many others have shared their story of the same success after addressing candida/systemic fungal issues.
Posted 11/19/2016 2:45 AM (GMT 0)
According to the book morgellons is a co infection of lyme. And the author lists herbal and antibiotic and antiparasitic treatments. eg Beyond Balance some of their products.

For example, for antibiotic usage, Dr. savely says she has placed them in order of most effective to least effective and people should rotate through these. Each can be taken with or without an antihelminthic

Clarithromycin and DS sulfa with or without atovaquone
Doxycycline and rifampin with or without nitrozoxanide
Docycycline and ciprofloxacin with or without tinidazole

She also metronidazole too. she has not found the cell wall antibiotics (I.e., penicilins and cephalosporins) as effective for MD as it is for lyme.

Along with antibitiotics she suggests adjunctive treatments like BLt Microbial Balancer by Researched Nutritionals
She also suggests herbs that target bartonella as she finds they are helpful for MD
Eg. Sida acuta tincure, hawthorne tincture, houttuynia powder and EGCg green tea extract

Eg/ She uses 5 different Beyond balance tinctures for those who cannot take antibiotics: But she usually gives them along with antibiotics because she has found it is a rare person who does not need both.

In the Beyond Balance products she uses MC-BAR 2; TOX-EASE; TOX-EASE GL; PRONAN; and ENL-TX.
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The reason I suggest people look at their nails is not to "panic" people. It is because this is an opportunity to heal yourself if you have been sick with this and not known that fact. There are things you can do to help yourself get better rather than go around wondering what you are sick with.
7% of lyme patients is not a high number but if you are one of the 7% it can sure make a difference to treat it.
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i have no sores, no biting feeling. Yet, i have the filaments under microscope only. cannot see without microscope. How many others are there like me going around not feeling well? Those are the people i am trying to help.

Post Edited (trumpet123) : 11/18/2016 7:50:45 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 11/19/2016 2:49 AM (GMT 0)

trumpet123 said...
According to the book morgellons is a co infection of lyme. And the author lists herbal and antibiotic and antiparasitic treatments. eg Beyond Balance some of their products.

For example, for antibiotic usage, Dr. savely says she has placed them in order of most effective to least effective and people should rotate through these. Each can be taken with or without an antihelminthic

Clarithromycin and DS sulfa with or without atovaquone
Doxycycline and rifampin with or without nitrozoxanide
Docycycline and ciprofloxacin with or without tinidazole

She also metronidazole too. she has not found the cell wall antibiotics (I.e., penicilins and cephalosporins) as effective for MD as it is for lyme.

Along with antibitiotics she suggests adjunctive treatments like BLt Microbial Balancer by Researched Nutritionals
She also suggests herbs that target bartonella as she finds they are helpful for MD
Eg. Sida acuta tincure, hawthorne tincture, houttuynia powder and EGCg green tea extract

Eg/ She uses 5 different Beyond balance tinctures for those who cannot take antibiotics: But she usually gives them along with antibiotics because she has found it is a rare person who does not need both.

In the Beyond Balance products she uses MC-BAR 2; TOX-EASE; TOX-EASE GL; PRONAN; and ENL-TX.
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The reason I suggest people look at their nails is not to "panic" people. It is because this is an opportunity to heal yourself if you have been sick with this and not known that fact. There are things you can do to help yourself get better rather than go around wondering what you are sick with.
7% of lyme patients is not a high number but if you are one of the 7% it can sure make a difference to treat it.

If co-infection, it's meant "additional subset of lyme symptoms" then sure. But there's no "morgellons" bacteria or pathogen. There's no organism that is "morgellons"

The reason why antibiotics helps is because it's treating the lyme. Many "morgellons" patient find significant relief when going through candida/fungal infection treatments. From probiotics, to diet, to anti-fungals.
Posted 11/19/2016 2:55 AM (GMT 0)
They are not 100% sure what it is at this point. Yes, it is separate from lyme. I think they tend to think it is a bacteria. at this point.
Posted 11/19/2016 2:59 AM (GMT 0)

trumpet123 said...
Yet, i have the filaments under microscope only. cannot see without microscope. How many others are there like me going around not feeling well? Those are the people i am trying to help.

Interesting. I could see mine with the naked eye. When it was at its worse they would be different colors as well. Weird.

But after learning what "morgellons" really is and researching successful treatment, the common demoninator was systemic fungal infection. Which I had due to long term antibiotics. After treating and defeating candida the symptoms stop, just like many others that experienced relief.

When you have a bad systemic fungal infection, your body becomes the soil. And the fungus grows and sprouts. The itchy, biting, feeling is fungus on one's skin. Coconut oil solved this issue for me. All "morgellons" symptoms are now gone. Now just dealing with some lingering lyme.
Posted 11/19/2016 3:03 AM (GMT 0)

trumpet123 said...
Yes, it is separate from lyme.

It's "separate" in the sense that it's not lyme. Lyme is lyme.

It's essentially due to a systemic fungal infection (that has gotten so bad it's hard to reverse). So yes people with out lyme can and do get it. However, the reason why most people with "morgellons" also have lyme (which is not the same as most people with lyme have mogellons) is because lyme + long term antibiotics is the perfect storm for a bad systemic fungal infection.
Posted 11/19/2016 3:12 AM (GMT 0)
I saw the specks with the naked eye. I almost didn't notice them. But not the filaments

Yes, coconut oil will bring out the black specks if they have not come out already.
I don't think i have a fungal problem but i could be wrong. Also genetically some of us are more prone to have fungal issues.
Posted 11/19/2016 3:15 AM (GMT 0)
7% of lyme patients have morgellons
i just read 100% of morgellons patients have lyme.
Posted 11/19/2016 3:19 AM (GMT 0)

trumpet123 said...
7% of lyme patients have morgellons
i just read 100% of morgellons patients have lyme.

Exactly. See the connection. Because lyme is one of the few illness that requires people too take abnormally long period of antibiotics.

Even people who have taken antibiotics for acne for several months to multiple years have also experienced "morgellon" symptoms.

Focus on gut health and fungal over growth and the morgellon symptoms will improve.

Edit: not 100% but a majority, correct.
Posted 11/19/2016 3:30 AM (GMT 0)
Maybe that is why some people have morgellons so much worse than others. I had little antibiotics and take a lot of yogurt & occasional probiotics. i might have bigger problems otherwise. You just reminded me i better take a probiotic right now.
Posted 11/19/2016 3:37 AM (GMT 0)

trumpet123 said...
Maybe that is why some people have morgellons so much worse than others. I had little antibiotics and take a lot of yogurt & occasional probiotics. i might have bigger problems otherwise. You just reminded me i better take a probiotic right now.

Yes my morgellon symptoms (and I always call them symptoms because I don't want to make the mistake that the medical community often does, by naming symptoms and not root causes), was not that bad.

Some itchy, biting feeling but tolerable and coconut oil easily took care of that and then some specks out of my hand (why my hand? I don't know). I wasn't on antibiotics too long compared to some other lymies (like 2 months). But I took no probiotics (out of ignorance).

I agree it probably could have gotten worse if I didn't start treating it quickly and thoroughly.

Have you ever taken anti-fungals? Also I did paleo (anti-candida friendly diet), are you doing something similar?
Posted 11/19/2016 3:57 AM (GMT 0)
i took anti fungals for about a month at a high enough dose and they did nothing for me.
i originally noticed the black specks in my thighs.
Then a few years later, maybe because i did not detox or treat, they came out in my hands and feet when i used a special oil. Weird isn't it. But the good thing is once they are out they are out for good.
I did experience several scratches on my hands and had absolutely no explanation for that. Scratches heal faster than any other cut ever. By the next day they are gone. it is amazing. But the sores that 30% of people with morgellons get take a heck of a long time to heal apparently.
Posted 11/19/2016 3:13 PM (GMT 0)

trumpet123 said...
i took anti fungals for about a month at a high enough dose and they did nothing for me.
i originally noticed the black specks in my thighs.
Then a few years later, maybe because i did not detox or treat, they came out in my hands and feet when i used a special oil. Weird isn't it. But the good thing is once they are out they are out for good.
I did experience several scratches on my hands and had absolutely no explanation for that. Scratches heal faster than any other cut ever. By the next day they are gone. it is amazing. But the sores that 30% of people with morgellons get take a heck of a long time to heal apparently.

Yes I experienced the skin "scratches" not the extreme sores. fungus is on the skin, mouth, and the gut. If fungus leaves the gut it's considered systemic.

When fungus is dying, one of the last thing it does is produce spores. It's a smart evolutionary adaptation for the species to survive. On the cusp of dying, it essentially saying, hey lets make sure more of us is made.

Coconut oil being a very effective anti-bacterial and anti-fungal agent, attacks the fungus. During this assault the fungus releases spores and then dies. This is why you see it "sprout" out of your skin when you apply essential oils on it (i.e. coconut oil).

But you are right it is gone forever. Keep applying coconut oil for several weeks everyday and you will see it happen less and less. You will be killing it faster than it can successfully reproduce and over time you will see big improvements.

Also, boost your immune health as well (which can be done by addressing gut health, it's all connected). Because with an optimal immune system the immune system takes care of it itself.

All humans have fungus on their skin (all humans). They only start to run a muck when there's an overgrowth due to a less than optimal immune system. It's the same reason it's not uncommon for a woman to get a yeast infections after taking antibiotics (antibiotics kills good bacteria and suppresses the immune system)
Posted 11/19/2016 3:28 PM (GMT 0)
That is very interesting. Now I need to find a morgellons doctor who will give me the antibiotics i need without a problem.
The skin scratches are easily not noticed. They are tiny and look like a papercut and are usually on the hand. I assumed i had scratched myself doing housework. They were rare. Maybe one once a month at the most. So it was easy not to notice there was something fishy going on with myself.

I wonder if making the body alkaline would help.
Posted 11/19/2016 3:34 PM (GMT 0)

trumpet123 said...
That is very interesting. Now I need to find a morgellons doctor who will give me the antibiotics i need without a problem.
The skin scratches are easily not noticed. They are tiny and look like a papercut and are usually on the hand. I assumed i had scratched myself doing housework. They were rare. Maybe one once a month at the most. So it was easy not to notice there was something fishy going on with myself.

I wonder if making the body alkaline would help.

Yes paper cut scratches.

I'm assuming you also have lyme disease?

If so, don't focus so much on "morgellons". One of the main points I'm trying to make is there is no "morgellons" or "morgellons" doctors. The term "morgellons" is simply a name given to a biological phenomenon that is not understood from the medical community.

It's not understood because the main stream medical community doesn't really "believe" or understand chronic lyme or candida. So they are flabbergasted when they hear or see "morgellon" symptoms. Well of course they are mind boggled when they don't first understand the root causes (lyme and/or candida/fungal over growth).

Focus on lyme and gut health and that's how it improves. "morgellons" will never go away if these root causes are not addressed.
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