Can HERBS only really bring down bacteria load? Getting worried

ChickNorris, Thanks. Glad I'm not the only one! LLMD does believe in herbs but does not want to give advice in that area. He is non judging but also believes in at least three abx. to bring down bacterial load.

Krimpet, Thank you. What is myco? Did you also do Buhner so you have a comparison? I'm only on Tox-Ease, have tried the BB1 and already finding it strong. I may stand down and keep it all Buhner for now and try the skullcap.

CD, Thank you. Wow you have some memory. Correct, Red Sage was probably the worst herx I have had to date. NEVER trying it again. I do love your idea of one drop split up. I am going to try that with skullcap.

When you say #2 is Red Sage AND Skullcap do you mean to that Buhner suggests both? OR to choose one?

Thanks so much.

For the record...cytokine remodulation is a very important aspect of healing.

Cytokines are what cause inflammation....and inflammation is what causes our symptoms.

Some cytokines are good for us.

That's why we need our cytokines remodulated (balanced).

As I mentioned somewhere along the lines in your recent threads, I think Chinese Skullcap would benefit you.

If you are already experiencing some relief ala what you're already doing, Chinese Skullcap stands the chance of enhancing that.

In light of your hypoglycemia, I'd be inclined to do the very low start I mentioned in my earlier post. The equivalent of 1/4 DROP per day for a few days.

If you don't feel well, put the herb aside.

And, if Dan Shen doesn't really suit you, I know I'd be calling a Buhner-recommended herbalist at that point.

Buhner emphasizes in his books that there are countless herbs that can help with these infections and only some are listed in his book.

For people who are having trouble using Buhner's recommendations, one of his recommended herbalists should be able to help with alternate approaches.

I will tell you this much despite me reading all of Buhner's books multiple times: it's just too much information to absorb.

That is where I realized a herbalist can make a big difference....especially when I see just how effective my herbalist's recommendations have been in a much shorter time than what I did for myself.

Huddie said...
When you say #2 is Red Sage AND Skullcap do you mean to that Buhner suggests both? OR to choose one?

Buhner recommends both.....and it's because the combination of the herbs modulates the cytokines that occur ala Lyme

Buhner has a HUGE list of other herbs that modulate cytokines and he groups them by the types of cytokines they modulate. This is way too technical for me.

I'd be calling a Buhner-recommended herbalist for help if I couldn't take either Dan Shen or Chinese Skullcap.

They've done the research and have the experience. And they cost a LOT less than LLMD's....which, by the way, are usually not able to give herbal advice - they are MD's and not herbalists.

Huddie said...
CD,

Thank you! I am going to start Skullcap broken up into four doses. I have calls into three herbalists, no one has called me back. I have a call into a flower essence person, no one calls me back. Urgh! Will try again. I sort of gave up. Will start a new thread to ask for herbalist suggestion. Thank you.

Good luck, Huddie!!!

Wow - sorry to hear about your experiences with your calls to the herbalists! I know I had so much trouble hearing back from one who has a 4-month wait list that I just gave up.

I was able to speak initially to another herbalist the same day I called and caught a cancellation for the initial 1.5 hr consult the week after. That was back in August and I only recently called the herbalist to touch base and get some advice. My call was returned the next day and we spoke for 1/2 hr.

The herbalist's advice has been spot-on and my healing is happening faster despite my uncooperative thyroid.

buhnerhealinglyme.com/resources/herbalists/

here is the list that I got from the Buhner website.

I have an herb shop in the county over from me and they were super helpful in recommending buhner dosages when I called them. I had a huge question about upping herbs all together and they were super informative. Especially now since hubby is treating.

If you have an herb shop near, you might want to drop in and talk or give them a call. Most herbalists lovingly give out their information about herbs.

Huddie said...
CD,

Not sure if you are comfortable with this, and if you are not, I certainly understand... since these herbalists are all by telephone is it possible to share your person? My private email is listed under my profile. Again, if you prefer not to, I understand.

I sent you an email ;)

Hello, it was just to tell that I have a microscope, and am currently taking the buhner protocol (only herbs for lyme : cat's claw, japanese k and andrographis).

Theses herbs have succeded to make almost completly disapear the spirochetes of my blood. The blood don't means all the body, but almost nothing of what I took had achieved this result before.

Only maybe minocycline (but not sure) and ozonated water.

The cat's claw is efficient on killing spirochetes, it's a real antibiotic plant. But taken alone it leads to the formation of many many cysts.
And andrographis is very effective on cysts, like flagyl for exemple.

Healrom,

Thank you so much. Love the hopeful stories of healing on herbs. I cannot tolerate JK so do Stephania instead -do you that will work? I will have to add in CC and Andropgraphis eventually.

PeteZa said...
Remember the object is to get your systems ready to handle the kill. It will do little good to go for the kill with andrographis if you are not ready for it. I think this is why Buhner Numbered his methods. He has found that healing in this order is best.

Can you point out where he says this? I have yet to read this.

Buhner has spoken many times about not liking Andrographis. At first, many were getting rashes from it and he actually took it from the protocol for awhile. It is now back in, but with a warning.

It may be in this article www.betterhealthguy.com/images/stories/PDF/BUHNER%20CONF%20NOTES.pdf -- this hyperlink won't work, you have to copy and paste.

I can look in his book for the wording he used but have to get cooking today.

But, even Tired of Lyme says "in order of their importance" -- www.tiredoflyme.com/the-buhner-protocol-for-lyme-disease.html

Can you think of another reason that Buhner would continually outline in all of his chapters on lyme the exact same numbering for his protocol. He continually writes The approach entails: and then numbers the listing each time repeatedly throughout his books.

Maybe you are right and it doesn't matter what order. I just am more analytical and if someone continues to write something in order over and over again, he must have a reason. Maybe that is how I should take it.

However Buhner does say that the most important thing to do is reduce the most severe symptom as quickly as possible. And he does say that there are thousands of plants that can be, and are, used in the treatment of disease. I don't think that ONLY the herbs he cites are the only ones. He has many alternatives.

Peteza,

I trust you completely and can tell that you do great research. I have read so many times on here that we have to build up our systems - Trav, told me the same thing that it's why we detox and clean up so we can clear out the bugs.

How crowded can the stores be with such a small town? I will think of Northern Exposure from now on - when I picture where you live.

Not stressed yet. My husband made breakfast. I made all side dishes ahead of time. It will be cleaning up later that does me in. My in-laws are 80 and 81 so my husband and I will do all the cleaning. It will be a long day.

I hope yours is wonderful.

45 minutes each way? Wow you really have to plan ahead. I would love to live in a quiet secluded place. I feel like there are 8,000 people on our block during lunch time :) - NYC too crowded. I'm a country girl at heart.