Lyme or morgellons + respectable derm journal

MODS: please place title as I cant seem to edit and change this page title from 'No subject', to "Lyme or Morgellons + Respectable Derm Journal", so I can delete this line.



I dont like the way modern dermatology is practiced today. I am often at odds with it.


I think it is high time we again challenge conventional dermatology and its text book diseases.

I presume many conditions in dermatology labelled with "no cure" and only symptom suppression may in fact contain a misdiagnosed fungal or yeast component.

Nothing is tested for so how would we know. Diagnosis is based solely upon clinical presentation that is never tested for fungal component.

If it is assumed there is no fungus then it can be treated with steroids which often does more harm than good when a fungal component exists.

We are reminded past performance does not equal future results however dermatology is almost always practiced as such.

That rant expressed, this collection of publications include a refreshing alternative view on dermatology that is quite rare these days.

Feel free to book mark the root site of the article if you like what you read.

https://bmcdermatol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12895-015-0023-0

(Anyone: please tell me how to make the hyperlink live)

Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 11/22/2016 4:35:03 PM (GMT-7)

ChickenArise - you already did change your 'no subject' to the one you wanted.

The newly released book Morgellons by dr. Savely on page 226 says that Dr. Wymore was the first researcher to ascertain that the cause of morgellons disease was not fungal.

I am not saying this is correct or not. i am just stating what is says.

Here's a story/blog of a woman that doesn't have lyme but had "morgellon" symptoms. She had a systemic yeast/fungal infection. She may not have the fungal species that others with "morgellon" symptoms have however yeast/fungal species act in similar ways.

I'm not claiming she is a scientist or a doctor and all her info is legit, however its the main point that fungus looks and behaves exactly like this when it infects a host.

http://malassezia-yeast-mystory.blogspot.com.au/p/malassezia-yeastmorgellonsdemodex-or.html

And then ChickenArise, gives his/her anecdotal evidence of his/her brother visiting his/her house which had a bad mold (fungus) problem leaves after visiting and then starts having morgellons symptoms. Not a coincidence.

dacarte3 said...
""Harvey says some of the "filaments" have been confirmed as the infectious yeast Candida tropicalis and that doctors can easily see the physical symptoms in people who are branded "delusional.""
Fungus are "filaments"

Interesting. I cannot see the filaments yet or fibers. Yes it does feel like my skin sometimes ejects the tiniest of 'seed' but it is rare and barely visible. It feels like a grain of sand and I throw it into a bottle of alcohol on the rare occasion it happens. Only once maybe twice have I seen a black speck and I brushed it off dismissing it.

You know I did a lengthy course of Fluconazole (Diflucan) with Doxy to synergize it as fungicidal. I combined with Terbinifine hoping for a similar effect also.

It is my understanding that Fluconazole does not work on Candida Tropicalis yet most of it somehow did either die or go inactive cystic or may have responded to Ketogenic and antifungals. Any guesses what may have happened?

Are you also suggesting that if I eat bread or sugar that my yeast will reemerge?

And what of my wife with the Bart Lesions of 2 months, have I given her ST Bart? Can I give her something else by kissing her? We talked about wearing condoms going forward. Is this needed?

Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 11/22/2016 10:06:55 PM (GMT-7)

ChickenArise said...

I swore for the longest time that I was only affected by mold and only had a mold related yeast problem. Recently due to symptoms I was forced to expand this to a possible Lyme infection.

You probably do have a mold/fungus infection. However there needs to be an immune suppressor involved such as lyme, long-term abx, even HIV/AIDs patients deal with it due to their destroyed immune system.

People have experienced "morgellon" symptoms from taking long term ABX (that had nothing to do with lyme) because it destroys the gut and lowers the immune system. People have taken long term abx for acne, abx after surgeries, etc and next thing you know they have "morgellon" symptoms.

Normally an "immune suppressor" has to be involved.

How long was your candida battle dacarte3?

Yes lyme is sexually transmitted, diflucan can have effect on lyme

yes we must guve up gluten and bread ,simple carbs while on abx .

have you seen the alan macdonald video on filarial worm coinfection with lyme and its association with lewy body dementia re: your bro

One lady said abx in lyme is like trying to kill a snake with bugspray.
there was a monkey antifungal i read about called lufernefron ? Aslo piroette had success with ketoconazole ..has black box warning but maybe can hit tropicalis...

dacarte3 said...

ChickenArise said...

dacarte3 said...
""Harvey says some of the "filaments" have been confirmed as the infectious yeast Candida tropicalis and that doctors can easily see the physical symptoms in people who are branded "delusional.""
Fungus are "filaments"

Interesting. I cannot see the filaments yet or fibers. Yes it does feel like my skin sometimes ejects the tiniest of 'seed' but it is rare and barely visible. It feels like a grain of sand and I throw it into a bottle of alcohol on the rare occasion it happens. Only once maybe twice have I seen a black speck and I brushed it off dismissing it.

You know I did a lengthy course of Fluconazole (Diflucan) with Doxy to synergize it as fungicidal. I combined with Terbinifine hoping for a similar effect also.

It is my understanding that Fluconazole does not work on Candida Tropicalis yet most of it somehow did either die or go inactive cystic or may have responded to Ketogenic and antifungals. Any guesses what may have happened?

Are you also suggesting that if I eat bread or sugar that my yeast will reemerge?

And what of my wife with the Bart Lesions of 2 months, have I given her ST Bart? Can I give her something else by kissing her? We talked about wearing condoms going forward. Is this needed?

The grains of sand is common among lymies.

Lyme causes fungal issues due to lack of gut health, lack of "good" bacteria, and a suppressed immune system.

Many lymies don't notice black specks because it's so innocuous.

yeast/fungal issues vary in severity. That's why some lymies get "morgellon" symptoms very mildly they don't even realize it to "full blown" "morgellon" symptoms.

Let's stop calling it "morgellons" it's lyme and/or systemic fungal infection. There's no "morgellons" it's just a label that was given to something that was once really mysterious and unknown.

Why would we stop calling it Morgellon's??? It's a manifestation that not even half of Lyme patients experience, so it makes sense to give it a different name. Otherwise, we might as well stop calling Bartonella something other than Lyme as well, as more than half of Lyme patients have Bartonella as well as Lyme. Same with the other infections that MAY come along with Lyme.

Lyme, even with all of its different strains, is still one specific organism, which while it can have fungal components to it, the fungal components are not a guarantee.

While I have had the "grains of sand" come out of my skin, I've never had any other signs of Morgellon's. If anything, I have much stronger signs of immune system damage now. I'm assuming that since it has never progressed beyond that, it's been 'simple' Candida starting back up, and as soon as I take appropriate steps, it clears pretty quickly.

Traveler said...

dacarte3 said...

ChickenArise said...

dacarte3 said...
""Harvey says some of the "filaments" have been confirmed as the infectious yeast Candida tropicalis and that doctors can easily see the physical symptoms in people who are branded "delusional.""
Fungus are "filaments"

Interesting. I cannot see the filaments yet or fibers. Yes it does feel like my skin sometimes ejects the tiniest of 'seed' but it is rare and barely visible. It feels like a grain of sand and I throw it into a bottle of alcohol on the rare occasion it happens. Only once maybe twice have I seen a black speck and I brushed it off dismissing it.

You know I did a lengthy course of Fluconazole (Diflucan) with Doxy to synergize it as fungicidal. I combined with Terbinifine hoping for a similar effect also.

It is my understanding that Fluconazole does not work on Candida Tropicalis yet most of it somehow did either die or go inactive cystic or may have responded to Ketogenic and antifungals. Any guesses what may have happened?

Are you also suggesting that if I eat bread or sugar that my yeast will reemerge?

And what of my wife with the Bart Lesions of 2 months, have I given her ST Bart? Can I give her something else by kissing her? We talked about wearing condoms going forward. Is this needed?

The grains of sand is common among lymies.

Lyme causes fungal issues due to lack of gut health, lack of "good" bacteria, and a suppressed immune system.

Many lymies don't notice black specks because it's so innocuous.

yeast/fungal issues vary in severity. That's why some lymies get "morgellon" symptoms very mildly they don't even realize it to "full blown" "morgellon" symptoms.

Let's stop calling it "morgellons" it's lyme and/or systemic fungal infection. There's no "morgellons" it's just a label that was given to something that was once really mysterious and unknown.

Why would we stop calling it Morgellon's??? It's a manifestation that not even half of Lyme patients experience, so it makes sense to give it a different name. Otherwise, we might as well stop calling Bartonella something other than Lyme as well, as more than half of Lyme patients have Bartonella as well as Lyme. Same with the other infections that MAY come along with Lyme.

Lyme, even with all of its different strains, is still one specific organism, which while it can have fungal components to it, the fungal components are not a guarantee.

While I have had the "grains of sand" come out of my skin, I've never had any other signs of Morgellon's. If anything, I have much stronger signs of immune system damage now. I'm assuming that since it has never progressed beyond that, it's been 'simple' Candida starting back up, and as soon as I take appropriate steps, it clears pretty quickly.

I guess we do have to call it "something". It's a condition and a group of symptoms, so I guess a name can be used?

Maybe a renaming would be beneficial, since the term "morgellons" has such a history of misinformation?

Where I take issue with it is simply naming symptoms and not causes. So like "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome". That term is just a more professional sounding name then "Sleepy all the timey" syndrome that a 6 year old could have coined. What is the root cause of a person CFS? What ever that is, is what we should call it for that particular person.

I sort of see "morgellons" in the same way.

Something like Bartonella is different because Bartonella is the word decided to be use to name a certain bacterial organism that actually exists. Bartonella aren't symptoms, it's an actual living organism and is the root cause of a certain group of symptoms.

LOL! I'm not going to use the quote box again - we are going to have 6 different quotes in there!

But, I do agree with you on most of it. It's kind of like calling Lyme, Lyme. That's not really the name of the organism (which is Borrelia), and too many people say Lyme to cover all the infections that may be present - you and I have had an off-forum discussion about this very topic!

We would all be much better served if the name "Lyme" disappeared, and we used the real terms simply due to the controversies surrounding "Lyme", which are not attached to Borreliosis. But, the majority of people with these infections will continue to call it Lyme, so in order to connect with them and help them, I have resigned to calling it Lyme - until I'm talking with a doctor. Then I use the more accurate terms, partly just to mess with them!!

Ha ha ha! Well, if you're going to do that, you need to get used to also putting their 'common' names in parenthesis! That way people will be able to understand just what you are referring to!

I've discovered that on a few of the Lyme forums, they try to push calling Lyme by it's real name (Borrelia/ Borreliosis) and have then seen those same people leave the forum because their brain can't switch the names yet. So try to have compassion as those that have trouble with brain function can be lucky just to be able to remember how to get online! That was me back in 2007 - 2009 - and I was a Mod!! LOL! I had a full year where I couldn't get online because my brain function was so messed up and low. Dark days for others call for a LOT of compassion from us.