Help With choosing adaptogens

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I think the whole "avoid immune stimulants with autoimmune disease" thing is dogma. Sometimes autoimmunity can be due to a productive immune response against the microorganism that shares homology with human epitopes or human antigen will be presented by an APC that has also picked up microbial antigen. In other words the body injures itself while eradicating the infection. A worsening in symptoms in such a case is just a herx and will disappear as the inflammatory stimuli is removed. Other times the effective immune response may not be the one causing symptoms which is common with allergies. All of the ones you have mentioned are good and work for different people in different situations. A process of trial and error I suppose. Sorry I don't know more about your scenario. My autoimmune symptoms get worse with any kind of treatment though for the reasons listed above but they clear as I progress. So it's not a sure sign you're on the wrong path. Just gotta take it low and slow and see if they clear up as you maintain a dose for a few days or if they just persist. If it's a herx they should get better as your body clears out the debris

Thank you for the responses. I am planning on starting Buhner's bart protocol and will follow his suggestions for cordyceps and eleutherococcusl to start.

By the way, it is hashimoto's.....lol.

Patty

Randy I guess what I'm saying is the immune system isn't binary. It has several different coordinations of response. You may be overactive in one way but underactive in another that would enhance pathogen clearance. And these modes can be further abstracted by the pathogens themselves leading to truly abnormal immunity. However the idea that autoimmunity is a sign of overactivation is a misconception built on a historical failure to find the underlying etiology. In some cases it's actually a sign of an effective immune response. For example some bacteria will intentionally decorate their endotoxins with human sialic acids leading to the formation of antibodies that attack both the bacteria and the tissues those sialic acids were derived from. It's a form of biomicry (like a preying mantis that evolved to look like a stick) that helps the pathogen evade immunity by acting as "self tissue". They call this molecular mimicry. So in such a case an autoimmune response is actually a sign that your body is attacking the infection. Thats not the only way autoimmunity is caused though which is why recommendations for immune enhancers can't be generalized. As stated before though a herx will generally wax and wane as endotoxins are dispersed and cleared whereas any undesireable symptoms would likely persist since there is no effective clearance, just enhanced inflammatory response. Just a generalization though. Never possible to say anything with certainty

Great information. Thanks for continuing the conversation


Patty