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Posted 1/11/2017 8:21 PM (GMT 0)
I started treatment four weeks ago. I have definitely noticed a trend. On treatment days my symptoms are exaggerated, sometimes old ones come back, I feel tired and I have trouble sleeping. Is this a herx? Or normal for treatment? I feel much better on my off week. I am eating clean and detoxing plenty! Anything else that can help? Will it get better as treatment progresses?

I am taking:

Omicef, Minocin and Septra Mon, Wed
Flagyl Thurs
Omicef, Minocin, Flagyl and Septra Friday

2 weeks on, 1 week off.
Posted 1/11/2017 8:29 PM (GMT 0)
It is a herx, and it is normal while in treatment to herx, unfortunately.

You will get better as the treatment progresses because you're experiencing a butt load of die off, apparently, which is good. Herxing and feeling worse isn't good.

I hope you aren't but it may be possible that you're one of those unlucky ones that have gene mutations that can make de-toxing difficult. Inadequate.


You might want to explore some different de-toxing methods, and you may have to keep searching for additional ideas until you begin to notice a difference towards the better.
Posted 1/11/2017 8:35 PM (GMT 0)
I wanted to add, that aside from genetic mutations there is also a possibility of doing too much de-toxing at the start. You can get a herx from that as well.


Might be helpful to see what your routing is on that, other than the schedule you gave us for treatment. Maybe someone can make some suggestions.


It is not fun to actually feel worse while being treated, when you are fully hoping you're finally going to feel better.

It's something we all go through, unfortunately. Hang in there!
Posted 1/11/2017 8:44 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you. I am currently in an intense program taking 7 classes a semester so I really hope things get better sad

As for detoxing, I am drinking lemon water..using half a lemon a day, taking apo-hepat (30 drops a day) and burbur pinella (only 10 drops a day) on non-flagyl days, epson salt foot baths, dry brushing before shower, moderate exercise, gluten/sugar free diet

Any other suggestions?

When I started four weeks ago..I felt better first couple days but by the second week I was really feeling symptom-y and nauseous. But I presume herxing is good, right? I did get a call saying my liver enzymes were elevated and to retest on an off week. I haven't heard anything since so I presume they have gone back done. This is why I added the apo-hepat.
Posted 1/11/2017 8:59 PM (GMT 0)
It looks like Apo-Hepat is made for Liver De-tox. I see it's made up of a number of ingredients. I use Milk Thistle.

A herx does let you know something is working, but you're having it because you're overloaded with toxic substances, which is never good. You need to minimize that as much as possible, because it is just one more thing your body has to deal with. It needs all the help it can get from you.

Do you think you could drop back on the herbal drops a little and skip the moderate exercise to just a little walking for a few days to see how you feel?
Posted 1/11/2017 9:16 PM (GMT 0)
Should I stop using the apo-HEPAT? I started it to try and normalize my liver enzymes. I was unsure if I could use Milk Thistle because I am allergic to pollen. I have a 12-15 month treatment plan ahead of me. Is it safe to say it gets easier with time as you decrease your toxic load, or is it bumpy the whole way through!?
Posted 1/11/2017 9:28 PM (GMT 0)
Ultimately you don't want to here at all. That's the true goal.
Posted 1/11/2017 9:57 PM (GMT 0)
I used to take Milk Thistle...but now I take the Pekana apo-Hepat. My liver enzymes are still good since switching over.


My next blood test will be the true test if it's working...since I switched my Rifampin to once daily dosing (600 once daily instead of 300 twice daily) to get a higher 'spike' in the blood.
I am wondering if that will be harder on my liver.

Lab work scheduled for next week.
Posted 1/11/2017 10:01 PM (GMT 0)

Brainzap545 said...
Should I stop using the apo-HEPAT? I started it to try and normalize my liver enzymes. I was unsure if I could use Milk Thistle because I am allergic to pollen. I have a 12-15 month treatment plan ahead of me. Is it safe to say it gets easier with time as you decrease your toxic load, or is it bumpy the whole way through!?


No, no. Not stop. I meant can you take less of it? Take less of it and the other two tinctures to see if you feel better, and if and when you do, start increasing slowly again.


It will get better. The herxing that is. At least until the time you change part of your treatment for something new. Then it's a possibility again.



Not knowing how the support properties work on the apo-hepat I'm not really one to know if any amount of dosage of it could cause a herx reaction. Or any kind of a negative reaction. Cutting back on them may not have any benefit at all. I haven't taken them, but many others on here have and I'm sure they will comment too.

Post Edited (julymorning) : 1/11/2017 3:05:04 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/11/2017 10:04 PM (GMT 0)
When you herx, you can take a day off of your antibiotics - and slow down the 'killing' for a day...lower your toxin load.
Posted 1/12/2017 12:57 AM (GMT 0)
If I did that would I push it back a day? My regimen is very specific so not sure how I would do that
Posted 1/12/2017 1:15 AM (GMT 0)
If, for instance, Thursday evening you were herxing, I would detox..and if Friday morning, the herx wasn't greatly diminished, and you were really suffering, I would skip the abx for that day...or just take two instead of all four.

If, on the other hand, the herx is manageable, then I would just continue and look forward to the one week off.

I think the apo-hepat should be fine...especially since you are taking it because of high liver enzymes.
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