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Posted 1/28/2017 8:27 PM (GMT 0)
Or do you believe healing comes from the overall strength of the Immune system at any age?
Posted 1/28/2017 8:31 PM (GMT 0)
I am 65 (and as my grandchildren would say) and three quarters, and in remission. I think it is treatment, detoxing, good eating habits, good sleep and minimal stress.

Added -- I was bit when I had just turned 64.
Posted 1/28/2017 8:55 PM (GMT 0)
Age, not a factor. I truly believe we can all find wellness when we find our unique solution.
Posted 1/28/2017 8:58 PM (GMT 0)
Everything I wanted to hear 🙂
Posted 1/28/2017 9:04 PM (GMT 0)
Age absolutely is a factor. The immune system is programmed to decline as you get older. But that said it's just one factor among many. A lot of younger people have terrible lifestyle habits these days. So both statements are right. It is a factor but overall strength is what counts.
Posted 1/28/2017 9:12 PM (GMT 0)
Nah, we can all become healthier. I don't buy it. We regenerate cells always. The key is to find the issue at the head of the stream, not at the dam in the middle. It's different for everyone. Never give up.
Posted 1/28/2017 9:14 PM (GMT 0)
Well, it does appear that 'generally' children do better than adults...but not always.

I think it depends on other things as well: How long you had lyme before treatment - I believe that is the most important one. The people that I personally know that got better in under a year...only had their symptoms for several weeks or months.
I personally don't know anyone who has had untreated lyme disease for over a year that was better in under a year of treatment.
Posted 1/28/2017 9:18 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah, Girlie, length of illness would be a factor more than age I think... if you've had illness for a long time, it's affected more systems. But just because you found it older, it shouldn't matter. You just have to be more diligent... part of the problem is figuring out what your body needs the most... support for specific symptoms, reducing deficiencies, or reducing toxicity ... and that toxicity might not always mean bacterial/viral issues... it might be a nutritional overload. That's why it's so hard to figure us out individually with a cure made for the masses
Posted 1/28/2017 9:20 PM (GMT 0)
I also want to add - I believe that at any age we can heal - no matter how long we have had lyme...it just may take longer...but we'll get there.

I know a lady that recently got to symptom free. This is after 3.5 years of abx treatment.

She has been well for just under a year now...no relapse.

She is in her early 60's.
Posted 1/28/2017 9:42 PM (GMT 0)

3HumpedCamel said...
Nah, we can all become healthier. I don't buy it. We regenerate cells always. The key is to find the issue at the head of the stream, not at the dam in the middle. It's different for everyone. Never give up.

I didn't say we couldn't all be healthier, but it's all relative. On average with all factors controlled a younger person is going to have a healthier immune system than an older person. It's called immune senescence and is quite literally programmed into our existence. The body essentially lends itself over to the microorganisms to be recycled. It has to for life to go on. That doesn't mean you can't heal of lyme in your 60s, but as a matter of fact response to the question of "is age a factor", yes... it is. But again, a factor is a thing that influences. Age is not a determinant.
Posted 1/28/2017 10:11 PM (GMT 0)
I'm not disagreeing with you on the whole of science, but in the quest to find health in our situation it matters less. we all know that factors with us (or anyone chronically ill) are certainly not controlled. We actually all got here because our systems became so out of balance that we couldn't control the bacterial loads. It could be caused by any number of circumstances... moldy house, poor nutrition, stressors in life, car accident, and so on and so forth... so, we can get back to prime health once we figure out the trigger for imbalance. But it's complex and confusing, but it is possible to heal at a cellular level, despite age. We will never be 17 again (unless we are 17 or younger right now...) - but I can be the best dang 40 there is... no doubt.

I am far healthier now, despite Lyme disease, than I was as a youngster...
Posted 1/28/2017 10:19 PM (GMT 0)
I definitely think that the immune system is the most important thing.
Posted 1/28/2017 10:57 PM (GMT 0)
I think there are a lot of unhealthy 60 year olds and I think there are very healthy 60 year olds.

Psilo, I don't know how old you are but I would love to see you on a Judo mat with my husband. I think you might get some respect for an individual that has protected his immune system all his life.

He has the purest body I know of. I am healthy, but he is pure. Honestly do you know anyone that has never had a soda?
Posted 1/28/2017 11:34 PM (GMT 0)
PeteZa where did I say I wouldn't have respect for him? Don't confuse biological fact for arrogance. I grew up in a generation that is more prone to sedentary lifestyles, developed in more environmental dysfunction, eats much worse, has more abstract stressors, etc. I'm 24 and your husband would probably kick my butt. That doesn't detract from the fact that if all things were held constant his immune system was better 30 years ago than it is now. Doesn't mean it's not still better than mine or someone half my age. But age is a FACTOR in immune health. Don't confuse this for me saying all young people are healthier or old people can't heal from illness. Or that I can't be healthier in 30 years if I treat myself well. It's one factor among many many others
Posted 1/28/2017 11:45 PM (GMT 0)
Gotcha. I still giggle thinking of you on a mat with my husband.

My husband has insane health habits. I am good, but he is perfect. At age 50 I MADE him go get a colonoscopy as doctors advise. The gastroenterologist said he did not have to come back for 20 years because his colon was as healthy as a 15 year old.

I can't compete with him at all...... He may be old chronologically, but he was raised with an Eastern Asian mental discipline for health, body and spirit. He is not Asian, but was raised that way due to Judo that he did all his young life.

He is the example of which you speak, not all old people are immune compromised because of age.

I really think he is the exception to the rule. But..... there are sure a lot of people on this forum that are a lot younger than I am and they are not in remission. So, how did I get there sooner than say Girlie? Sorry Girlie to use you as an example. She is a lot younger than I am, so was it my immune system?

Post Edited (PeteZa) : 1/28/2017 4:48:31 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/28/2017 11:59 PM (GMT 0)
How did you get there sooner than me? We can't compare because I had my symptoms for 15 months...you had yours' for - was it 6 weeks and then had some antibiotics? and then a couple months had some different antibiotics...and then started buhner shortly after that?


I have also led a healthy life.....

There are a lot of factors .... one example is co-infections...My bartonella wasn't treated until over a year after my diagnosis...which is 27 months after symptoms started.. (except for a few months of buhner's herbs)
Posted 1/29/2017 12:19 AM (GMT 0)
That is my whole point Girlie. We can't compare and even with age, we can't compare.

Every circumstance is different with each one of us.

I just don't think age is the determining factor in healing. I know too many very healthy 60 year olds and some very sickly 20 year olds.
Posted 1/29/2017 12:22 AM (GMT 0)
Here's the thing. It's scientific fact that the immune function lowers as we age. Does that mean older people can't heal? Not at all. It happens every single day.

We simply can't compare how "fast" one person heals compared to another because we all have so many things going on, not just these infections (generally speaking).

I healed extremely quick, faster than you did, PeteZa, when you take into consideration I was told by a very knowledgeable, very respected LLMD that I likely had every tick borne infection, considering the severity and number of symptoms I had for over 4 decades. And yet, I healed Lyme, Bart and my other bacterial infections in just one year, and Babesia the next year.
Posted 1/29/2017 12:28 AM (GMT 0)
Use say is it a "factor". Simply a "factor".

Well all healing has an age "factor". I think what you are really asking and how people are answering you is, "does age completely make full healing impossible?"

No.
Posted 1/29/2017 12:31 AM (GMT 0)
Everybody wants to be you trav (the first time)...i was wolverine with my healing now im matlock...
Posted 1/29/2017 1:55 AM (GMT 0)
And the end of the day....none of us really know the ultimate factors in terms of when one will heal. We just have to do the best we can to heal. Is it age, is it the immune system, is it detox pathways, is it healthy eating, is it environmental, is it a healthy attitude, is it living stress free, is it the protocol that works best for you? It's all these things and more.
Posted 1/29/2017 4:04 AM (GMT 0)
Everyone is pointing out a bit of truth about this.

Girlie made an excellent point on length of illness before treatment.
Age can be a factor if genetics or other factors have made Lyme target vital areas that have been perhaps damaged beyond repair.

Krimpet added more to what I was thinking too.

I am 65 1/2 and seriously doubt my body can handle surviving another 7 years for all cell re-generation, some of which does NOT regenerate once it's 'killed'. The body simply tries to compensate.
Posted 1/29/2017 5:21 AM (GMT 0)
I think it's a very valid opinion too 1000Daisies!
Posted 1/29/2017 2:54 PM (GMT 0)
Same here. It's a valid opinion - and I have those concerns as well.
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