Can eleuthero cause a herx? UPDATE: why am I so sensitive?!

Hi guys I upped my dosage of 1 drop of eleuthero twice a day to 16 twice a day. Feel awful now I did it three days ago and the past three days I've been suicidal weeping nonstop anxious panicky distressed hopeless can't eat or sleep too sad. Is this a herx? I'm so frustrated I'm so darn sensitive to everything.

Post Edited (jennydancingfish) : 2/7/2017 1:50:40 PM (GMT-7)

Or dropping the dose back down. To me, that seemed like quite a jump. What's the dosage you are shooting for?

It is very close to ginseng ..and can be too stimulating ..sorry jenny i can barely do maca and b pollen for energy...

So my herbalist emailed back and she told me to stop the eleuthero and to take rhodiola instead start with two drops. I feel SO frustrated I'm too sensitive for rifampin, houttuynia, eleuthero 😭 How am I going to get better when I'm so sensitive to everything?? It frustrates me my twins not like that she's doing great on antibiotics and on a massive dose of eleuthero no problem 😭

Jenny,

I just signed on LOOKING FOR YOU! Ha. I will start a separate post. This one is about you.

I am so sorry you had this reaction. Going from 1 to 16 is huge. Hugs to you for the way you feel today. That was me on one drop of Red Root. Tomorrow will be a much better day.

I love Eluthero and am now up to about 20 drops a day. I herx on everything too. Even things that help with herxing, I herx on!

I take Herb Pharm Elu. tincture. I did one drop for a few days, then two, etc... It took months to build up to larger dosage and I still ONLY take it in the AM. If I take in afternoon it impacts sleep.

I did not do well on Rhodiola. It made me anxious, racy and gave me insomnia. Again, everyone is different and it may be great for you.

Trav always tells me that there are people who can heal with lower dosages. Well I am convinced I am one, and I will bet you are too. I am making strides and still don't have a lot of herbs under my belt. Also envious of those that can ingest copious amounts and get to full protocol.

I have added in Jernigan herbs because for me they are much gentler. You may have success with them. I am taking Borrelogen and Lymogen.

I think sleepytime or bedtime tea may help you with your herx today. Or Magnesium-Calm (love that product). Do you have any?

Feel better and let us know how you are tomorrow.

Jenny,

I'm so tired so signing off but will give you info on Jernigan tomorrow. Highly recommend for sensitive peeps.

Hugs to you and hope you are feeling better.

Thanks July! That makes me feel a little bit better. Well my herbalist I realize don't told me to increase slowly I realize I misread the instructions I wrote down. 😭 Even my twin who has the same herbalist gaped and gasped when I told her what I did lol. I'm going to try making a calendar and increasing stuff one drop at a time.

Yes I had trouble with houtt. But I haven't had any with pasque flower motherwort milk thistle or teasel root. So it's a bit confusing what I do and don't react to. I guess I should just do maybe two drops of one new herb every few days? I guessed I want to get on my full protocol already lol so I pushed too fast. I don't really understand the houttuynia tea though what u mean :0 did u make it like that?

jennydancingfish said...
Thanks July! That makes me feel a little bit better. Well my herbalist I realize don't told me to increase slowly I realize I misread the instructions I wrote down. 😭 Even my twin who has the same herbalist gaped and gasped when I told her what I did lol. I'm going to try making a calendar and increasing stuff one drop at a time.

Yes I had trouble with houtt. But I haven't had any with pasque flower motherwort milk thistle or teasel root. So it's a bit confusing what I do and don't react to. I guess I should just do maybe two drops of one new herb every few days? I guessed I want to get on my full protocol already lol so I pushed too fast. I don't really understand the houttuynia tea though what u mean :0 did u make it like that?

It came in a compressed bag of cut hout. Traveler's directions involve weighing the herb out very carefully with a gram scale, and well, here are her exact words:

"I used only the cut leaf herb - not the powder and it makes a difference as the concentration of different parts of the herb (above ground parts, or roots) will produce different effects.

I used only 1 1/2 grams of Houttuynia to 3 cups of water for the first 3 weeks. This is 1/2 strength though. You will need to work up to 3 grams of Houttuynia to 3 cups of water, but take your time - it makes many of us herx like crazy!! And don't forget to detox, detox, detox!!!

To brew this tea - which has quite a pleasant taste actually & can be sweetened slightly - take the Houttuynia (1 1/2 grams or less to start) and add it to 3 cups of hot water - do NOT boil the herb! This changes the properties of the tea. Steep (allow to sit) for 10 minutes only. If you forget and it steeps longer than 12 - 14 minutes, throw it out. It will be much too strong and could cause a lot of problems (like more herxing!) if you try to use it. Be sure to strain the used herb from the liquid.

Cool tea. The tea can be refrigerated.

Drink 1 cup of tea 3 times a day.

As the herx subsides, increase your dose of Houttuynia in very small amounts, wait until the herx subsides and increase again - until you reach 3 grams of Houttuynia to 3 cups of hot water.

Continue to drink 1 cup of this medicinal tea 3 times a day until all symptoms resolve. This took 9 months for me, but it was well worth it!"

Horrible. My anxiety is destroying me 😭 I feel like I've tried everything. I can't tell how much of it is ptsd and how much of it is the infections (the ptsd stems from the lyme though) and I can't go to emdr appts for the ptsd cause the anxiety makes me housebound. I don't know what to do. I just want to start feeling better so badly

Thanks bluelyme! I've been thinking of getting a rife or infrared sauna! But I could only afford a $200 one :/. I also noticed it's worse in cars and when I'm hungry is that pots?

And yes! Houttie too much but my herbalist is buhners partner j. SHe told me that we would add in houttie later when my bacterial load is down since I don't handle it well. But I have to add on sida in a few weeks. Thanks blue that makes me feel better

You can only get it if you have fibro or epilepsy in Illinois so Ima order some cbd oil I'm kinda scared of it though.

Jo your analogy or story about the cells in DNA is so cute! And you are right we are different my twin naturally is fifteen pounds heavier than me!!! Thank u for ur kind words we are just sensitive ones then

Ok traveler I will tell her!!! By the way trav my llmd says for my double mutation I need 12mg of mthf. In case it helps u

Daisies I'm so sorry about ur son 😭 I know how it feels I will pray fo u and ur kids ❤ I know u guys r gonna get better I can just feel it you'll see

Jenny, I never could take eleuthero. I tried one drop and my heart raced like I had run a mile. It scared me. I also could not do the rhodiola and I could not take Sida Acuta.

Some herbs just were not made for me to take. The nice thing is that there are always alternatives.

Sounds like your doc is awesome.

So sorry you are having a tough time. Deep breaths... you will get there.