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Posted 3/5/2017 1:56 AM (GMT 0)
This anxiety that comes and goes. Like clockwork in the www hours of coming to consciousness in the morning. Before eyes open... Lasts until up out of bed.

Then sometimes but not always another burst of it in later afternoon.

What is the infectious mechanism going on here?

I feel like I would need to keep a supplement or something under pillow. If I knew what that supp was I'd gladly do it.

I don't know if I'm making sense but the anxiety is just awful. Tried a few things now and no help.

Next going for pasqueflower and or mothers wort .

Thanks for reading .

Ps. I left messages for two bruhner herbalists. Not Julie. And neither returned calls. No hard feeling just an fyi... They both live close to me so I thought that would be a good for me as I'm doing it mostly on own and wanted some help.

This forum is great. I thankyou all from bottom of heart. May you all heal.
Posted 3/5/2017 2:04 AM (GMT 0)

Lightlife said...
This anxiety that comes and goes. Like clockwork in the www hours of coming to consciousness in the morning. Before eyes open... Lasts until up out of bed.

Then sometimes but not always another burst of it in later afternoon.

What is the infectious mechanism going on here?

I feel like I would need to keep a supplement or something under pillow. If I knew what that supp was I'd gladly do it.

I don't know if I'm making sense but the anxiety is just awful. Tried a few things now and no help.

Next going for pasqueflower and or mothers wort .

Thanks for reading .

Ps. I left messages for two bruhner herbalists. Not Julie. And neither returned calls. No hard feeling just an fyi... They both live close to me so I thought that would be a good for me as I'm doing it mostly on own and wanted some help.

This forum is great. I thankyou all from bottom of heart. May you all heal.


I get something similar before I'm even fully awake...just waking up...eyes still shut...wave of anxiety. I also sweat and my pulsatile tinnitus starts.
Mine stops when I get up out of bed. And if I set an alarm because I have an appointment...I often don't get it.

My LLND thinks it's a surge of cortisol.
Posted 3/5/2017 2:12 AM (GMT 0)
I has it before and holy basil took care of it pronto. Not this time so I thought not cortisol this time. I will let u know if I find something to relieve. It's nota thought process or stress thoughts. I feel it in my heart. Kind of panicky without thoughts or it doesn't matter what ism thinking about. It feel like heart is most effected but not racing.
Posted 3/5/2017 2:37 AM (GMT 0)
I think bart actually causes adrenals to spasm and inject adrenaline. ..my heart increases rate etc ...treatment has helped ..had to do benzo for a bit .lith orate ,holy basil and other did work for a bit ...
Posted 3/5/2017 2:55 AM (GMT 0)
I agree with the cortisol thing. I've been dealing on and off with this throughout my Lyme and co infections, but didn't know I had the infections. I tried to ride it out without panicking which only intensifies it

My belief is our system develops an addiction to the adrenaline surge. I don't have to be thinking about anything either, I'll wake up already in one BUT that could be because I often dream just before waking.

I hate it and would love to know something other than drugs from the pharmacy to shut it off for good.
Posted 3/5/2017 3:38 AM (GMT 0)

Lightlife said...
I has it before and holy basil took care of it pronto. Not this time so I thought not cortisol this time. I will let u know if I find something to relieve. It's nota thought process or stress thoughts. I feel it in my heart. Kind of panicky without thoughts or it doesn't matter what ism thinking about. It feel like heart is most effected but not racing.

Have you taken your pulse when it happens? Mine is higher - resting mine is 80 bpm but when this happens its 100 bpm.

Mine isn't from stress either because it's happening before I'm awake..it is as I'm waking and not even thinking about anything.
Posted 3/5/2017 3:40 AM (GMT 0)

julymorning said...
I agree with the cortisol thing. I've been dealing on and off with this throughout my Lyme and co infections, but didn't know I had the infections. I tried to ride it out without panicking which only intensifies it

My belief is our system develops an addiction to the adrenaline surge. I don't have to be thinking about anything either, I'll wake up already in one BUT that could be because I often dream just before waking.

I hate it and would love to know something other than drugs from the pharmacy to shut it off for good.

I hate it...awful way to start the day!!
Posted 3/5/2017 5:00 AM (GMT 0)
I used to be like that.

If HB worked before, maybe try more of it a few times, take before bed. HB helped me, but I had to addd other "mellowing " supps too.

Candida also gave me anziety- common.

Low thyroid will do that too.
Posted 3/5/2017 10:40 AM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...

Lightlife said...
This anxiety that comes and goes. Like clockwork in the www hours of coming to consciousness in the morning. Before eyes open... Lasts until up out of bed.

Then sometimes but not always another burst of it in later afternoon.

What is the infectious mechanism going on here?

I feel like I would need to keep a supplement or something under pillow. If I knew what that supp was I'd gladly do it.

I don't know if I'm making sense but the anxiety is just awful. Tried a few things now and no help.

Next going for pasqueflower and or mothers wort .

Thanks for reading .

Ps. I left messages for two bruhner herbalists. Not Julie. And neither returned calls. No hard feeling just an fyi... They both live close to me so I thought that would be a good for me as I'm doing it mostly on own and wanted some help.

This forum is great. I thankyou all from bottom of heart. May you all heal.


I get something similar before I'm even fully awake...just waking up...eyes still shut...wave of anxiety. I also sweat and my pulsatile tinnitus starts.
Mine stops when I get up out of bed. And if I set an alarm because I have an appointment...I often don't get it.

My LLND thinks it's a surge of cortisol.

Or it could be a surge of adrenaline possibly due to low cortisol. Have you ever had a cortisol saliva test done? Do you wake up at around 3am?
Lyme can cause adrenal insufficiency that’s why I’m asking. I’m sure I have had Lyme for a long time and that’s what caused hypothyroidism and adrenal insufficiency. Since I’m on hydrocortisone I don’t get the before eyes open anxiety. However, I still have the fatigue, anxiety and brain fog one hour after waking up.
Posted 3/5/2017 10:50 AM (GMT 0)
I got out of bed and logged on just to find this topic. And there it is! Number 1!

Always so many options to what things may be. Oh well, it's so good to know we're not alone. And at least I'm getting 6 hours before this crap.
Posted 3/5/2017 2:39 PM (GMT 0)
There is a great app called Insight timer that has very nice meditations on it. They are very helpful to get the mind from going to a dark place. If I wake up in the middle of the night, I turn it on and I drift back to sleep. Maybe that would help you.
Posted 3/5/2017 3:37 PM (GMT 0)
These infections hit our nervous system pretty hard sometimes and that alone can cause those types of issues. In that case, none of the herbs or meds of any kind will help if they target the adrenals, cortisol, thyroid or anything else.

Benadryl *can* help - as it depresses the Central Nervous system - although you don't want to use it much, as it has it's own side effects and over-use issues as well.

For some, they just have to hang on through this until treatments can ease the symptoms.
Posted 3/5/2017 4:46 PM (GMT 0)
I have all the same issues. If I could recover my natural sleep, I just know it would kick my healing up a notch or 10. That wired feeling comes and goes. It messes with my sleep, I wake up at 3am. I've had the timed salivary cortisol test. It found normal levels at 6am, and noon, then spiked way out of range at 6pm, by 10pm it's back down to just barely above reference. Didn't test for 3am but I think it cycles up and down. Same thing as y'all. I'm wakeful and sometimes wired. I believe that the anxiety is in response to that rather than vice versa.
I'm getting some relief from phosphatidyl serine, which lowers cortisol. Also theanine, taurine, and glycine help. Some folks find relief from gaba or Kavinace but I didn't respond well those. I broke down and got my pcp to rx low dose doxepin. I take 6mg at bedtime and that's getting me about 6-7 good hours of sleep per night most nites. I'm not thrilled with the fuzzy head the next day but it's better than the alternative so far. What has y'all's llmd recommended?
Posted 3/5/2017 5:09 PM (GMT 0)

cr3ativegirl said...
There is a great app called Insight timer that has very nice meditations on it. They are very helpful to get the mind from going to a dark place. If I wake up in the middle of the night, I turn it on and I drift back to sleep. Maybe that would help you.

Mine doesn't happen in the middle of the night anymore - thank goodness - just in the morning. It only lasts a few minutes and is gone.

Just enough time for my mind to go to dark places.
Posted 3/5/2017 9:47 PM (GMT 0)
Mine is definitely adrenal related. It's like clock work---early am, anxiety....lessens around 8:00am. Up and down until 12:00pm or so......definitely working on adrenals. Was on very low dose hydrocortisone with adrenal cortex...regret taking the hydrocortisone as after 3 months, it produced the craziest anxiety/panic attacks ever. So now I'm on a homeopathy, adrenal cortex, and licorice root.

My cortisol is in the lower ranges all day, but my lowest is early am to mid-day which is how I know it's mainly adrenal related which of course affects thyroid, so double whammy.
Posted 3/5/2017 10:31 PM (GMT 0)

Krimpet 🍔 said...
Mine is definitely adrenal related. It's like clock work---early am, anxiety....lessens around 8:00am. Up and down until 12:00pm or so......definitely working on adrenals. Was on very low dose hydrocortisone with adrenal cortex...regret taking the hydrocortisone as after 3 months, it produced the craziest anxiety/panic attacks ever. So now I'm on a homeopathy, adrenal cortex, and licorice root.

My cortisol is in the lower ranges all day, but my lowest is early am to mid-day which is how I know it's mainly adrenal related which of course affects thyroid, so double whammy.

So how does it work...if you're low in cortisol...you get these adrenal surges that causes the God-awful symptoms?

I should check my 4 point cortisol test...and check when it is low...I think I was a bit low at two points.

If I was guessing (based on this information) it would be low in the a.m. and again in the evening - that's when I have the symptoms. (evening one is barely there anymore though)
Posted 3/6/2017 3:24 AM (GMT 0)
Cortisol should highest in am and hold fairly steady until noon to 2 p.m. and slowly taper off, so that it's at its lowest point just before bedtime. At my worst, mine was low across the day.

Trumpet, you've tried several different adaptogens, haven't you? I'm doing homeopathics, licorice (dual purpose for me) and ashwagandha. I was doing adrenal cortex for the first 8 or 9 months.
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